we know its not sephiroth because in the script of the trailer it says
SPOILER:
WHEELCHAIR MAN: "We've continued the investigation into the aftermath of Sephiroth."
Its not him
we know its not sephiroth because in the script of the trailer it says
SPOILER:
WHEELCHAIR MAN: "We've continued the investigation into the aftermath of Sephiroth."
I think it's Rufus... But then well... Cloud's a delivery boy now... And has a disease... and well... that's what I think.... I heard that from some one on neopets...
Go watch the latest trailer on the official AC site and pay attention at the very end *grin*
Me thinks that Rufus is drawing on Cloud's weakness to initially persuade him to go up against Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz, effectively saying 'if you don't fight, it'll happen again.' And I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to lose anyone else close to him *cough*Tifa*cough*
That probably didn't convince him. I'm guessing finding Tifa all beat up after her encounter with Loz did.
I'm not sure why the SHM weren't called to the reunion. Or maybe they were and survived somehow. Maybe Rufus had them imprisoned after what Seph did to prevent it again, which is why they haven't appeared until now.
Zax is in it, too. It'll probably only be a flashback, though. I'm going to hate watching that bit in almost life-like quality >.<
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Well Im pretty sure they're clones alright but were they injected with mako and jenova cells or were they given jenova cells in the womb the same way Sephiroth was? Hojo did do alot of private experiments unbeknownst to Shinra.
it is stated that there was no successful sephirtoh clone apart from cloud but thats still disputed perhaps they got injected with em like cloud but need the head of jenova cause jenovas contolling them or they could be achents. yer i know fat chance you say but it might be right.
This is the sequel. It could easily prove that statement wrong and like I said. Hojo did a lot of experiments without the knoweledge of Shinra. Its entirely possible that the SHM are the results of those experiments.Originally Posted by sayen
hojo said himselth in ff7 that there where no sucsessful sephiroth clones apart from cloud. i dont think cloud is a clone but has jenova genes.
Hojo made that claim because of those who made it to the reunion. SHM werent seen there but that doesnt prove they were unsuccesful.
(SPOILER)Upon seeing the new trailer, I remember the scene in Aeris' church where Kadaj has that bag and exclaims "Mother!" upon looking into it. Then he has a kind of choked laugh when he actually looks right into the bag. I don't know if perhaps Jenova's head is not in there like he thought, or if he is just overcome by the emotion of finding Jenova's head. I speculate that the SHM are trying to bring back Sephiroth using Jenova's head, as Vincent says something about them being able to make another Sephiroth. Tifa also asks why they have to lose to a memory, which could be either Jenova, the fact that the SHM are a part of Sephiroth in a way, who is a 'memory', or Sephiroth himself.
As for anyone working for Rufus, it seems to me that only the Turks are loyal to him, and that Kadaj was maybe just visiting Rufus in the interest of finding Jenova, or parts of her. Rufus hires Cloud because he is the only one capable of going up against the trio, being an Ex-SOLDIER. (Which baffles me because he never was a real SOLDIER, perhaps he just means he went through some of the same treatment SOLDIER's do when it came to mako exposure, and Jenova cells.)
That's the best I can make of all of it right now. As for where the SHM came from, the fact that they resemble Sephiroth (cat eyes, the silver hair) makes me think that maybe they were created in the same manner Sephiroth was- by injecting Jenova cells into the womb of ap regnant owman, and into the unborn fetus. Looking at their ages, it's entirely possible that after Hojo saw that Sephiroth was born as a healthy child with superb abilites he went on to create more beings in this manner. When Rufus asks Cloud what he thinks they found in the investigation of the Sephiroth aftermath, it is possible he is referring to the SHM.
And to tie in with Tifa's mention of losing to a memory, at the end of the trailer, a mysterious voice that no character we have seen has spoken in, says "I will-- I will never be a memory. I'm betting that it's Sephiroth's voice.
I have no idea how off I am, but of everything I've seen, heard and read, I think that's who it is. Though I'm not entirely sure if it could be from a flashback or not. I don't know if he says that during the course of the game or not.
Last edited by Camanche; 02-06-2005 at 03:38 AM.
From the translations I read of Rufus he was indeed hiring Cloud to investigate/fight Kadajs group. He originally refused and Rufus said something along the lines of "I hear you're taking care of orphans these days". That succesfully coaxed Cloud into taking up the mission. As far as Kadajs group goes does anyone seriously believe they're NOT clones or bred in the same manner?
well cloud still a mercenery in AC but he may have thought it would be too easy and short but after persuasion Cloud quikly made 3 new enemies
LET THE HAMMER FALL
You guys are nuts the only person capable of making a successful sephioth clone hojo. We killed in ff7 and he did say there where no successful sephiroth clones. Althought I might be wrong as sephiroth is back in advent children so hojo might have suvived and made them afterwards.
So, um, why is Hojo the only one who can clone Sephiroth? I'm assuming his experiments to 'make the perfect SOLDIER' were well documented, and could of been done again to produce the SHM, considering the earily success of Sephiroth before he went loony.
The game didn't seem to describe it as a difficult process either. Inject Jenova cells into unborn fetus, so it is born with inante powers and abilities. If they have the head of Jenova, it does seem entirely possible. And the fact that Vincent said they could make another Sephiroth, well...
Well documented yes by hojo but probibly destryed when midger got turned into ruins didn’t think of that did you. Cloud proves he is not a clone in the game and hojo says there are no successful clones so at end of ff7 there are no sephiroth clones left the SHM are something diffent or sephiroth cloned them himselth.
Er, how exactly did Sephiroth clone them himself?
And the experimentation that was done in order to make Sephiroth was in Nibelheim, not Midgar. The destruction of Midgar would not have anything to do with the cloning of the SHM, because they would have to have been created BEFORE Midgar was destroyed if they were created in the same manner as Sephiroth was. (Their age.)
I assume that they were created in the same manner as Sephiroth was simply because of the facts that no other clones have silver hair, cat eyes, etc. Only Sephiroth had these inhuman traits because he was injected with Jenova BEFORE he was born. Other 'clones' of him are injected with Jenova AFTER,when they are in SOLDIER.
And, throughout the game the ONLY person who refers to Jenova as 'mother' is Sephiroth. I don't think it is a coincidence that the SHM refer to her as 'mother' unless they were made to be clones of him, and created in the same manner- with Jenova in their minds at birth, influencing their thoughts, etc.
As for Cloud, I believe he was considered a failure because his mind and body couldn't handle the Jenova cells he was given during the experimentation in Nibelheim. That is easy to see by his fairly unresponsive state when Zack breaks them out of their.
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