Ah, well from what i seen i thought you meant they sucked. Mediocore...eh sorta had that effect on me. I just didnt want the view that WARs cant do anything at all. Misunderstood.

I agree with the context on the tanking up a degree, PLDs do not care about damage, so they put all their DEF up and Cure and use spells mainly to keep hate, soaking damage. WAR can do the same, except with the obvious lack of spells they use damage to keep it up. The difference i feel is that WARs can use differnet subs to make different methods of tanking. A WAR/MNK is definetly similar to a PLD in the sense it eats the damage, but a WAR/NIN goes onto the blink side of thinks. In my view theres, Soak up tank, and Blink tank, and WAR depending on subs fall in the medium...never excelling at either, but can do both...at least reasonably well.

As for damage on SAM...i am not too sure. Becuase while they do pretty decent damage early on, they do fall behind just about every other melee there is later on. Maybe i dont find SAM that useful for that purpose. But...i can sorta see how things can be at lvl 30, where SAM seems to fall between THF and MNK. I personally want to specialize with lvling both subs so i can as like the example above, step on either side of the scale and excel.

Mmm i wasnt clear on teh damage thing, the thing i was getting at that, WARs, MNKs, THFs,DRKs etc, all later on regularly outdamage the SAM on a regular basis. SAMs themselves dont have crappy damage, but they cannot compare up to the other melee that are out there. Sorry i wasnt clear on this. You know..DRK 800 something SC while a SAM can do about 400(which is not horrible, but its nothing when its like compared to what the DRK does)....Although i would say that combined dmg renkeing with a SAM, prolly culmilitively is greater as a whole.