Lol. unfornately i killed them long before i had mastered materia, decent stats and max levels. so i cant test out how easy they can become.



But they are still easily in the top ten of all super bosses chart. They will always remain godly.

And thats not through bias. on a rational level unless you are prepered to max stats or materia up to a point, or use cheap ass cheat lucky 7...they will remain a challenge.

And i,m not crap at super bosses. i,ve crushed Penance with ease. i think my opinion is valid.