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    Default What's gimp to you? Are you gimp?

    There are several types of players out there. At which point would you label a player a gimp/noob/(insert derogatory term here)? In which category do you fall?

    Player A has every luxury item that can possibly benefit his class. To equip better than Player A is impossible, because Player A's gil is endless, and his equipment is perfect as far as the game allows. He uses +1 foods in every pt. His spell list is always full for his level.

    Player B has only those luxury item that are especially useful. If the +1 version of an equipment gives only a trivial boost, but costs exponentially more, Player B saves his gil and makes the most out of his gil. IE: Eremite's Ring, +2 int, 2,000 gil. Eremite's Ring +1, +3 Int, 60,000 gil. Is +1 int worth 58,000 gil? Player A says yes. Player B says no. Player B uses food in every pt, though costs will determine whether the food is +1. He min/maxes his gil spending to equipment power. His spell list is full for his level as much as possible, excepting extraordinary cases like Erase, where the completion of BCNM 40 is only 8 levels away, and said spell isn't party critical to warrant a 300,000 gil pricetag.

    Player C also fills out his equipment slots. His gear is up to date, and sometimes luxury, but unlike players A or B, Player C's gear isn't always optimized to his class. For example, at level 33, if Player C were a Tarutaru mage, he might still use his RSE equipment instead of gear that further enhances his strengths. This player as a 51 whm might equip a holy shield and hammer instead of a light/dark staff. His gear is current, and it's clear the intent to pull his weight in a pt is there, but he could make better choices in gear selection. Player C uses food in every pt. Player C's spell situation mirrors Player B's.

    Player D also keeps his equipment slots full. However, Player D's equipment is often mildly outdated, or simply outclassed by other available gear. He could've been mistaken for Player B 10 levels ago. This player would only use food in a pt if at his level, players didn't get parties without it. Player D only buys the spells that people use most in parties. He'll have his cures and protectra's, and maybe even Barfira, but don't be asking for Barwatera or you'll be out of luck

    Player E can't even keep his equipment slots full. His gear is even more dated than Player D's. Have you partied with a taru in Qufim that was still wearing his level 1 green RSE? How about the warrior in Kazham still wearing Lizard armor? Say hello to Player E. Missing equipment slots, horribly outdated gear, and not a meal in sight are the trademarks of Player E. Player E's spell situation mirror's Player D's for the most part, except Player E wouldn't have even situationally useful spells like Barfira. Cures and protects and the absolute minimum for Player E.

    I actually modelled Player C after myself. That is where I fall. My gear is always up to date, but my priorities in buying for my Taru Whm have always put survivability ahead of specialization. In effect, my gear might be best classified as well suited to soloing. My philosophy has always been that a dead white mage can't cure the tank. No Astral Rings for me. +1 Saintly Rings will still enhance my effectiveness as a whm. I'm a Player C because the current thinking amongst the more experienced players is that MP > MND in terms of white magery. I'll be using a Holy Shield and whatever the best hammer is at level 51 instead of the staves because hammers and shields are the whm unique weapon set. This is how Whm's were intended to look, in my oppinion. Staves are for Blm's and Smn's, I think. I'm picking my choice in weapons based on class skill with said weapon, and not based solely on the stats accompanying the weapon. That said, I do plan to use Asklepious for the same +10% curing potency as the light staff.

    What do I consider gimp? Player E is obvious. Once, when I was levelling my blm sub, I pt'd with a whm that didn't have barfira yet. Fortunately, not only did I have it, but my blm was levelled enough to have it uncapped. I hate picking up slack for someone else. Player D I'll tolerate. I believe Player D to be the most common low level type of player. It takes many levels to have the means of a Player A, B or even C. Sometimes, shear poverty keeps a potential Player B/C down. When I get to the "high levels", I'll consider Player D's gimp. By a certain level (I'd imagine 30's or so, since such was my case), players should have means of money making fairly squared away. Besides, at low to mid levels, the benefits to a party of a Player B over a Player D aren't as pronounced as they are at high levels where even a small weakness kills exp gain. In the levels where "anything can work", I won't call a Player D gimp.
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    Garland tbh a WHM without those staves is pretty...messed up. Sure it works but you really really hinder the party..>.> I strongly recommend at LEAST the darkstaff when healing. The difference is just that huge...i had like 200 mp, and my BLM friend had no staff with 400. Our max mp is 600 and in the end we almost nearly finished healing around the same time....i strongly recommend DarkStaff at least. Becuase i really feel its too good not to get. Holy Shield is a luxery item...it has very little use...once you get the staff you dont need anything else.

    I actually consider Player D gimp. You should be ready to perform your duty to at least the minimum in every situation. I would tolerate a bit but its frustrating becuase your WHM dies and he doesnt have ReRaise because he thinks its not useful...I agree with you that under 30, i also can somewhat tolerate Player D. But after 30...i really think you should shape up at least a little bit and update your stuff...

    Me? I would think...somewhere between C and B. I dont have unlimited gil, but i would think anyone with unlimited gil, would be Player A. I strive to get the best gears as i can, but i would NOT pay 60Kish for a Saintly +1...that is total BS. I always make wise choices, never paying for a +1 if its too much to even bargain for...but if possible i definetly will. However i will get things that are expensive(imo expensive is over 100K), if they will optimize my performance...even though that piece of gear might not be +1 itself...like my Light and Dark staves...i wont get +1 until i got surplus gil...but i will get the normal versions at the minimum. I try never to underperform if i dont have to.

    Mmm so far this is about gil and the things you can get...this is without skill lvl. If a person with Player D equips, can do exceptionally well given his skill, then i would rather take him than a Player A that is horrible at doing his/her job. Why not Player E? Sometimes skill can only take you so far...sometimes you just gotta get those equips...Scale Mail at lvl 25...is suicide and no matter how much skill...sometimes skill just cant make up for equips.

    EDIT: I think my Leonine profile is sorta good to show it, i use Mith and not Chefkabobs, but my gear is somewhere in B and a little of C. I would get the best things i can afford. WAR Belt +1 is cheap enough to get, +1 rings are good becuase you really want those boosts in stats early on. The rest like Chainmail, be realistic...just a full set is enough. Tiger Stole is great, and Neckchopper i feel is a worthy investment. The boomerang i dont upgrade, theres just no need when pulling. Shield earrings are cheap too, and i dont upgrade my back to a nomad+1 mantle cuz..frankly while its nice...i dont think its worth my time to get that high priced equipement for its boosts...its not that big a boost to my performance for its given cost. K? ^^
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    You're right about skill being more important than equipment, but I left skill out of the picture simply because I believe the two go hand in hand. The player willing to put the effort into farming for the expensive items needed for a good party takes his role seriously, and it usually follows that he pays equal attention to his play techniques. That said, if gil-buying becomes any more prevalant, we might start seeing a lot more Player A's who bought their uber equipment with their last weeks paycheck, and make it to level 75 with all the gaming prowess of the War 18/Whm 1 in Valkurm dunes that calls himself a tank. Heck, I hear you can even buy full accounts now, so perhaps skill and dedication to good equipment aren't as hand in hand as I imagine.
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    so perhaps skill and dedication to good equipment aren't as hand in hand as I imagine.
    Untrue, skill and dedication will just be harder, becuase it does NOT take much skill and dedication to buy your way thorugh, so for those that put the effort into their gear, they put that much more harder, than the ppl that buy their way through.

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    I'm definately a "Player B" Paladin I always update my items with the best things out there whenever I can, but when the difference between a regular item and a HQ item is only like 2 defense or 1 VIT but the HQ is like 50K more, forget it. I can live without that one or two extra points. Food: Always, not always the best foods, but oh well I'm happy that I'm finally in the 50's range. It was nice selling my boots for 25K and getting a free pair in return One more level and I'll get my Gallant Gauntlets and some more easy money back


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    I'm somewhere between a D and a E. No offence, but I just started. I use food when I got it, but most of the times I don't. I try to get as much spells as posible, with some gabs along the road. My gear slots aren't full, because I don't have quite the money for gear that is worth it. The gear I have is quite up-to-date, just a few levels behind.

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    It's ok not to have every slot full when you just start. Some equipment slots can't be filled right away. The lowest level cape is level 7 for example. Some slots like rings and earrings have nothing worth buying till level 10, if that. Filling slots is nice, but wasting hard earned gil for an item just because it's available is an exercise in futility. It's not till around level 15-20 that you should strive to keep in top form. Take the early soloing levels as a chance to get a head start on gil, because when partying surpasses soloing as your exp method of choice, you'll be happy to stand out from your Valkurm peers with good equipment. There are hundreds of people looking for groups in Valkurm, and most of them have crappy gear. Valkurm is about the earliest that you start building an in game reputation, so take advantage of a chance for a good first impression. Be the Warrior that CAN hold hate, and HAS the armor to last more than two hits, and your LFG times will be much less painful.
    Knock yourselves down.

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    I'm somewhere between a B and a C (mainly cuz I'm a WAR/RDM and people dont like that), but I get by...
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    Maybe a WAR/RDM counts as a lower grade cuz of that..? I seriously think that you need a better sub..although WARs get invited anyone to tank...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grover
    I'm somewhere between a B and a C (mainly cuz I'm a WAR/RDM and people dont like that), but I get by...
    Sub MNK, THF or NIN.


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    Definitely B. I don't have an unlimited supply of gil, but I farm often enough to get the gear I need. Being a DRK, I opt for stat gear over the highest level gear I could be wearing, and I think that should always be a factor taken into account before labeling someone as gimped. Depending on the players job, having lower level gear doesn't neccesarily make them gimped.

    I think the only gear of mine that's out of date is my back slot. But after spending over 1.3 million gil on 2 Sniper's Rings, a Valkyrie Mask, and a Life Belt, getting a new cape isn't really a priority for me right now. Not to mention there's not really any capes that would benefit me much more than my current.

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    I tend to be between A and B with my BRD. I kinda gimp my WHM a tad but it's not my main focus and I rarely use it in PTs so it's not an issue.

    As a BRD I definately always make sure I have +1 Instruments and almost all of my gear is +1. I always have all possible spells and some of the best weapons of EVERY type that I can equip.

    However, my gil is not endless and far from it. I spend quite a bit of time farming/crafting etc.


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    I used to be terribly gimped. It wasn't my fault. I just couldn't make any money.

    Now I'm far from it. Level 25 Blackmage is my highest job, and 20 Red is my subjob. I've spent at least 220k on equipment and spells that I don't really need. I still have 130k left over. I think it's pretty good considering I'm only a level 25 rank 2 and haven't started any sort of crafting yet.

    I'm looking into getting into a craft. Hopefully I can turn that money into more money. Right now I can make 45k in 2 hours 20 minutes, but as time goes on and the levels increase that won't cut it.

    I don't have the eremite rings +1, but I do have a yew wand +1, a mage's tunic, and the very unnecessary Ice Spikes. The last was a decision I made not because I thought I would actually use the spell, but because my name happens to be Icewires and I had money to throw away.

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    Where is the ice now? ;-;

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