The EoFF Debates.

[Baloki]

The things I miss by living in a different timezone. Heck, I don't think there are any Europeans on there. For shame, Proto, for shame.

And I'd debate so well

Who Says you have to be on the list?

1. What is your stance on the possible redesign of Agent Proto?

The front site, you know I had to actually look at it to answer this question, and it looks a mess, I know that sounds mean but it does, but not because of its layout, I went onto Final Fantasy VIII I think and I had to click through a large amount of links before I even got anywhere other then, this is Final Fantasy 8, worship this game. Now I'm not saying this isn't a good thing but there must be an easier way to organise it, or at least organise the menu in an imaginative and easy to use way, which I have to admit only BoB's design actually tried to do, yes it failed spectacularly because people whined about Javascript, but it was the only effort in that department, the rest have just been new images or different colours, a good start but their not addressing the problem. Also why is the Derge of Cerebus a tottally different layout, it makes no sense. I'm hoping if we ever did get a redeisgn that Cid liked (As no-one elses opinion really counts for much as it is his site and his money) I would hope that the Site Staff would start from the ground up and remake all the menues, the way things connect and integrate everything into the same layout and site. I'd also hope they went part way into integrating the forums into the front site, not completely because we would then become too like other sites but maybe a latest member or latest post thing would be cool :P

Thats enough ranting for me, probably won't join in with the rest, only if they interest me, time to pick me apart people

[ZeZipster]

I think that Cid's choice to redesign EoFF was a good idea so long as it turns out well. To follow that,



I may be repeating my self when I say COLORS == HAPPY, but dagflabit, it's true. I may also seem indirect, but that doesn't stop me from finishing this sentence. My point has been made. What that point is, I leave you to define. But don't use a dictionary when defining it, that's cheating .

[Psychotic]

Who Says you have to be on the list?

Agent Porno

[Trumpet Thief]

1. What is your stance on the possible redesign of Eyes on Final Fantasy?

Trowa: I'd say that I wouldn't mind too much if they changed the site, although, I am quite used to this look, and even if it is just slightly changed, part of me would mind a lot. Although, once that new look stays for about a year, or so, it will probably grow on to me, as well as a lot of other members.

chaos: If we were to make a direct choice, we'd like to keep it the way it is. Simple, yet, still satisfies us. So, in our opinion, leaving EOFF the way it is will be what we, along with many other members, and visitors too might like.

Rubedo: Although, if everything blends in at the end, for example, the different pages of Square-Enix games, then, the look might even be better. Even if it happens, we should learn to embrace change.

[Agent Proto]

We still have yet to hear from eestlinc, Carnage, and Earthworm Jim.

Ok, moving along, for those three who missed the first question, you should also answer the first question.

The following question is to be answered by each candidate.

2. If you were to remove one forum from the EoFF Community Forums, besides the forums for the Final Fantasy series, which forum do you intend to remove and why?

[Baloki]

3. If you were to remove one forum from the EoFF Community Forums, besides the forums for the Final Fantasy series, which forum do you intend to remove and why?

I'm assuming you missed out 2 on perpose?

[Agent Proto]

hush you.

[Trumpet Thief]

Trowa: Well, I personally would remove The World of Eizon, not because it is the forum that I hate, but, the other ones seem to be extended ahead of it. Also, in some cases it is barely used. This site is supposed to be one for Final Fantasy, and the interact forum idea hasn't been used too much by members. The other forums, ie. the lounge, General Chat are way more important, to either blow off steam, talk about a game that you just want the whole world to know about, or start a wacky topic that grows to be quite popular. The World of Eizon, is although, a great forum, and is liked be me and many others, the only thing is, it hasn't been around for too long, apparently, so, the members haven't gotten too attatched to it. Although, it seems to be a great experience anyhow, and the "shiny titles" given, sure can make you smile. So, the Eizon forums would be the ones to bite the bullet if we ever had to make a decision like this.

[ZeZipster]

I would remove General Chat, for no apparent reason except for to see people's responses.

[Peegee]

For the sake of ensuring that Eyes on Final Fantasy remain a spam-filled and happy paradise of wonderment, I will definitely have to remove the 'Eyes on Each Other' (and thusly the World Events forum as well) from the list of available forums to post in. This will ensure freedom of all members of Eyes on Final Fantasy to post anywhere they wish without the restrictions imposed by a forum to be 'serious' or 'coherent'. Coherency is overrated and we at BAoTW do not support nor endorse coherency.

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[fire_of_avalon]

2. If you were to remove one forum from the EoFF Community Forums, besides the forums for the Final Fantasy series, which forum do you intend to remove and why?

I find this rather perplexing, as I believe defining the forums clearly has something to be gained. While I do believe that random SPAMness is fun, I also believe that people build friendships because of this forum, and I believe people trust these friends enough to seek advice and discuss the ups and downs of their lives. Therefore, EoEO is a keeper in my book.

At first, I was going to suggest that World Events be the forum that goes bye bye, as I thought it could become part of EoEO. But then I realized that while world events do affect our mood and lives, they affect it in a very different way. So in my eyes, WE deserves it's place as a separate forum.

I think The Lounge is the best candidate for removal. I think the topics that are covered in The Lounge could easily be fit into GC, as I suspect things of the media oriented nature that is found in The Lounge were probably discussed in GC way before my time. I think discussion of movies, music, and sports can be considered very general, and while I think on a site of this size they DO need their own forum, I also believe it would be the easiest abscence to adapt too.

[Strider]

2. If you were to remove one forum from the EoFF Community Forums, besides the forums for the Final Fantasy series, which forum do you intend to remove and why?

I don't know that I would, but if I absolutely had to, I would eliminate the General Gaming Forum. You could easily fit pretty much all of the threads from that forum into The Lounge, since that forum already covers TV, music, movies, etc. It's all relative, simply connected by the theme of "entertainment".

[edczxcvbnm]

2. If you were to remove one forum from the EoFF Community Forums, besides the forums for the Final Fantasy series, which forum do you intend to remove and why?

Now, if I HAD to get rid of a forum then it would have to be world events. Everything that is talked about in there could be talked about in general chat or in eyes on each other. People were complaining about too many topics at the time dealing with Iraq and things of that nature. It was important to a lot of people and everyone had an opinion on it. There may have been too many at the time but now there isn't really a problem of over flooding any forum. It was a problem at the time and that time has passed. Want to talk about the debates that are currently going on right now? It was on TV so throw it in the lounge. Want to take a poll to see who would vote for who? Throw in general chat. Polls and things that a lot of people would vote in are not getting voted in because not everyone cares enough about politics to go to a forum about it on the off chance a poll might be there or an issue they care about might be there.

By eliminating World Events would could enrich the culture of General Chat, Eyes on Each Other and occasionally The Lounge. I say the time for action is now.

[eestlinc]

I think we moved to question 2 too quickly, especially considering the monumental importance of question 1.

The most important job of a frontsite is to attract new visitors to return. Obviously we have great content which helps, but the visual appearance of the frontsite makes an immediate impression. No matter how great your content, if it doesn't look amazing, many will be turned off.

Style 2 has a very dynamic and engrossing appearance. If I came to a site for the first time and saw that layout I would be impressed. I would assume the site had good content because they obviously take their site seriously. While the current frontsite may be fine for us who have been around and come for the forums anyway, to a new visitor, style 2 gives the best first impression. I applaud Cid for taking on this very important and not especially popular task! Also, Hail Bruckner.

As for question 2, the one forum I find most pointless is the Music/TSW forum. I don't understand why topics which are Final Fantasy related but not necessarily specific to a game can't go in General Final Fantasy. General Final Fantasy could be expanded to "discuss the series as a whole as well as other FF related topics like movies and music." Plus, people certainly talk about video game music enough in the lounge (even to the extent to suggest Nobuo Uematsu has own <i>genre</i> of music) so video game music discussion can easily fit in with the rest of the music discussion. The fact that this forum gets so little traffic also indicates few EoFF members see its value. Besides, why discuss any music other than Bruckner's?

[Loony BoB]

Backing up eest's comment, you should stick on #1 for a while - keeping in mind that this is a debate thread, not a speech thread. =]