Do we actually need this game?

[Mei]

Now here's a topic for you. It may or may not have been discussed, but frankly I'm to lazy to look.

does anyone actually WANT this game? Do we NEED to know about vincent? The mystery surrounding him was, pretty much, the only thing that made him an average character. Otherwise he would have been one of the worst characters in the game. So, S-E,obviously bored with FFXII, have decided to, in the same year, announce a film sequel to FFVII, in order to make a troutload of money, a mobile game, to make a troutload of money, and, oh, guess what, now another console game to make a, um, troutload of money.
omg square how smaert!1

Evidently S-E like Vincent. Unfortunately, he wasn't a good character, as previously stated. He was optional. His entire story was told in two five- minute conversations plus the bit where you got him, and the two conversations were optional. Now, is this a good character? No. Is this a MYSTERIOUS character? Yes, because no- one could be bothered to make a storyline up. Ergo, seven years after the game's release, we're being told a story. Any story, as long as it in some way involves Vincent.

Thoughts?

[Mo-Nercy]

The very same question was raised when FFX-2 was announced. And for that series, I thought that FFX wrapped up very nicely and just because (SPOILER)Tidus "died" doesn't automatically warrant a sequel where he had to be (SPOILER)brought back

Anyway, SE knows that everyone loves FF7 and I think it's obvious that they're trying to milk some more money out it. Kudos to them, I know I'd do it if I were them. You're right in that Vincent's a very vague character and this means SE can basically do anything with him. More likely than not, it'll have nothing to do with the original game except for a couple of people and place names.

I don't think there's enough information out right now for me to decide whether or not I want this game. But from what I've seen, it's going to look more like a game of DMC than a game of FFVII. If I do decide to buy this game, it will probably be because I enjoy dark, many-a-zombie, action shooters and not just because it's a sequel to FFVII.

[Ouch!]

First of all, I'd like to say that Vincent was my favorite character in the game. Vincent has his fans, just like all the other characters have their fans. His story intrigued me and I wanted to know more. SE bringing in a new story, and they'll probably expand on what happened to Vincent through his back-story.

Do I feel that we need the game? No. But I'm going to enjoy it.

[TheAbominatrix]

Well... do we really need any games? Does Final Fantasy need to exist? Of course not.

Yes, I am being a smart ass. But basically, Square is doing this to make money. As Mo already said. But if you dont want your thoughts of VII ruined, or you dont like the thought of playing Vincent, then dont buy it. If everyone whose complaining about this game doesnt buy it (which I highly doubt will happen), it may send a message to Square.

But, all things considered, Square is giving fans what they want. They wanted a sequel to VII, they got AC. That wasnt good enough, it wasnt a game, so they got BC. THAT wasnt good enough, it was on a cellphone, so they got DoC. Of course this makes them money-grubbing assholes to half of us. Why? They gave us what we wanted. What we'd been begging for for years.

Do I want this game? Yes, very much. Vincent was very interesting in my opinion, and I want to know more.

But again, the bottom line. If you dont want it, dont buy it. No one's forcing you to buy it.

[iluvpenelo]

well said abominatrix. i would gladly fork out for a remake of FFVII. Im gladly going to fork out for AC when it arrives, and as more news developes, i might end up forking out for DOC. I dont know. its looking like a metal gear solid style game which im not a big fan of. i agree with what a-bom (my new nickname for abominatrix coz thats too big to type) said, if you dont like the idea behind it, dont buy it

[TheAbominatrix]

*yays at her new nickname*

And I would like to make it clear that I am a bit annoyed that VII needs three continuations. Annoyed in the 'shake my head and groan' type. But this does look very interesting, and I'll more than likely buy it. Who knows what sequels and remakes for different games these will warrent?

[Black Mage]

I'm upset that they even made Advent Children, so I guess that explains how I feel about the 'recent' developments centered around FFVII.

However, I'm not the type care enough to talk about this very often, but I noticed an interesting argument in a post a bit earlier in this thread.

"But if you dont want your thoughts of VII ruined, or you dont like the thought of playing Vincent, then dont buy it. If everyone whose complaining about this game doesnt buy it (which I highly doubt will happen), it may send a message to Square."

I agree to some extent; if everyone who doesn't like the idea of the game didn't buy it, it would send a message to Square. And probably one I would deem quite deserving.

But, the other half of the arguement is what gets me. If I don't want my thoughts on VII ruined, I shouldn't buy the game. That sounds fair. But, if that's the case, I would have to also close my ears to other people, avoid certain posts, topics, and threads, and avoid conversation in regards to general FFVII all together.

That's pretty much impossible, especially for the avid fan of FFVII who likes discussions.

Regardless of how hard they try some sort of information is going to make its way to them. In which case all would be for nothing.

Not buying the game makes sense to make a statement, sure, but not in terms of avoiding the content. Just knowing the game/movie exists hurts my opinion of VII somewhat, and may even change how some look at it.

As someone else sort of said, this is just another X-2. Only I suppose it'd be akin to X-2, X-3, and an X-4.

The whole thing just seems ridiculous to me.

[TheAbominatrix]

Then let it hurt your opinion if you cant shut it out. It all seems a bit melodramatic to me, so many people screaming that DoC and the others are 'destroying the FFVII universe'. Not to mention, you can avoid it simply by staying out of the DoC forums.

[Ouch!]

Thing is, Advent Children, Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus are going to affect how other people discuss Final Fantasy VII.

Advent Children has already changed how some people viewed the ending. It kicks out the theory that humans were destroyed in the end. Before Crisis is going to change how people look at the Turks. Dirge of Cerberus is going to change how people look at Vincent. More information replaces what fans had to guess at, and in the end, you kind of lose some of the originality that fueled discussions.

[TheAbominatrix]

Thing is, Advent Children, Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus are going to affect how other people discuss Final Fantasy VII.

Advent Children has already changed how some people viewed the ending. It kicks out the theory that humans were destroyed in the end. Before Crisis is going to change how people look at the Turks. Dirge of Cerberus is going to change how people look at Vincent. More information replaces what fans had to guess at, and in the end, you kind of lose some of the originality that fueled discussions.

That's true, but now that it's been done, there isnt much we can do about it, right? So the options are; either do your best to ignore it or accept it. No amount of complaints and curses at Square will change any of this.

[Black Mage]

That's true, but now that it's been done, there isnt much we can do about it, right? So the options are; either do your best to ignore it or accept it. No amount of complaints and curses at Square will change any of this.

That is true, but if no one speaks up about their dislike for the concepts and practices, no one will know that there are some who don't like it, especially those who need to know, like Square.

I'm not saying they will necessarily pay attention or do anything about it, but it's still a good idea to be able to get both sides of the story.

Everything in moderation, they say.

[TheAbominatrix]

Well said. But do note we are the American (and elsewhere) market, and Im pretty sure that the Japanese market has more say in what Square does. So yeah, it would be best to express your dislikes to Square, and to boycott the sequels. A lot of people are complaining but still planning to get AC and DoC, which I think is silly.

[Necronopticous]

(before the announcement of Advent Children)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": Final Fantasy is stupid, why can't they just make more games like Final Fantasy VII? They made a sequal to that crappy Final Fantasy X game... Well I didn't play it but it looked stupid, and it didn't involve a big sword and materia so screw it! WHERE IS OUR FINAL FANTASY VII-2 HUH? I'm gonna keep complaining until I get it, BOOHOOOO

(after the announcement of Advent Children)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": A DVD??? Final Fantasy X get a whole stupid sequal and Final Fantasy VII, the best game ever made gets a DVD MOVIE!? This is stupid, I hate you Square, at least give us a game, jeez! This whole company is stupid, why don't they make more Final Fantasy VII games!

(after the announcement of Before Crisis)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": A CELL PHONE GAME!? I hate you Square, you're so stupid, I don't want a lousy cell phone game, give us a DECENT Sequal to Final Fantasy VII! Final Fantasy X, being the crappy game that it was got a console-sequal, why can't Final Fantasy VII? You guys are a bunch of idiots, give us a REAL game!

(after the announcement of Dirge of Cerberus)

WHY are you ruining our perfectly good story with these new games and movies, why can't you just leave Final Fantasy VII alone and give us new stuff you big bunch of sell-outs! You only want money don't you? Not as if every proprietary company ever created in the history of the world has been to raise money, ugh I'm so pissed off! I'm gonna keep complaining! And it MAY NOT BE AN RPG!? JESUS CHRIST! Are you guys idiots or what!? Don't you know that everyone wants a perfect clone of Final Fantasy VII on PS2 with improved graphics!? I HATE YOU SQUARE

(6 months into the future after the announcement of Final Fantasy VII: Replica With Improved Graphics + Sephiroth's Sword Increased in Length by 2 Inches)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": What the hell? This is the same damn thing you released on PS1??? Are you guys just a bunch of Sell-Outs or something???! I'm not gonna shell out my money for this garbage, who the hell asked for a duplicate! I hate stupid Square, always just doing anything for a quick buck! The least you could do was hire staff to give every fan of Final Fantasy VII a personal, individual back massage!

(8 months into the future at the new Square-Enix back massage parlor with free coupons to those who enjoyed Final Fantasy VII)

Final Fantasy VII "Fans": Square has crossed the line now, look at these sell-out losers with no ideas! Why can't they ever just do what WE ASK THEM!? God I hate this company, what ever happened to the good ol' days when they were making those good games like Final Fantasy VII, and... Well, You know, Final Fantasy VII... on PC! GOD! What happened to them, now all they do is run around like bums trying to milk every dollar they can out of everyone! I HATE THEM DIE SQUARE DIE!!!!

[Ouch!]

You're a bit of an extremist.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Seems right on to me.