Quote Originally Posted by Glendon
Or better yet, find out what exactly it is that influences them to attack us in the first place. The whole "they hate our democracy, our freedom blah blah blah" is not viable considering Saddam, the Taliban and al Qaeda were all once allies to the United States. And I'm not talking a hundred years ago... this has been in the last 20 years.

America is the very definition of decadence (don't believe me? Go to Las Vegas, the decadence capital of the world), a characteristic considered violently taboo by middle-east religion. Guess what... we were a decadent, capitalist nation while all three of the enemies mentioned above were allies, why didn't they "hate our freedom" then?

All conpiracy theories about ghosts, aliens, hell boy, and elvis living on the moon aside. It doesn't take much logic from even the most partisan individual to figure out these current events revolve around money in one form or another when said individual takes a step back from the propaganda for 5 seconds. Heck, corporate America & U.K. are making bank like Microsoft circa 1995 from these wars.

Here's and interesting read related to former allies and oil: http://www.mediamonitors.net/josephclifford2.html
The problem is that you think that terrorists/fundamentalists are rational, which they aren't. A lot most likely hate the Western civilisation as a whole, no matter what country, because it's starting to take root in the Middle East, which means people are going to start thinking for themselves and maybe reconsider the social order they lived in for the past decades/centuries. And if you're a fundamentalist religious group, that's a very bad thing, on two levels: first, your own values will be replaced by those of the West, second, your influence and power will become smaller and smaller. Wehn Europe went through these changes 200-300 years ago, the elite and the Church didn't exactly enjoy losing their place, and didn't let go without dragging their foot, big time.

About Las Vegas: did you actually go there, or are you just basing your judgement on assumptions, hearsay or media?

And last, there is financiary motivation along with humnitary, religious or whatelese motivation. France didn't oopose the USA because we're so cool and morally right, but because a lot of money was at stake, and the USA setting foot in Iraq meant that we wouldn't have the oil contracts anymore. That and it's a longtime tradition for Gaullists to piss off the USA, just 'cause.

Quote Originally Posted by [c]
when you ahve two antions...fighting eachother..they call eahcother terrorists..and they both some how kill innoccent people, and they both do the same crap?..who is more terrorist?...

What's the second nation?


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Quote Originally Posted by theundeadhero
It's not very cool hating a whole nation beause you don't like what thier government is doing. We don't have any control over it. Besides that, all governments do exactly the same thing. We're just the ones getting picked on right now. If your going to hate us, you might as well hate everybody, even your own country and government. Bringing up watergate doesn't prove anything seeing as how it happened so long ago. That's like saying I hate England because a couple hundred years ago they wanted to treat Americans unfairly and overly tax them so they can make lots of money.