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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    Oh, to me weed is more or less like wine, you know, substances that can be used sometimes to alter and or multiply individuality, create a certain sensation of pleasure that, if abused, can be a disaster.

    Of course, I cannot deny it is a risky substance, as is any alcoholic drink anyway. As Barbeau said, intelligent men do not need the use of such substances to arise from the vulgarity, yet however, I would say the reaching of such status in a natural way is very different to the artificial paradises created by consuming soft drugs. The sensation of plenitude, too, was easier to find in another time, not in the dehumanized modern industrialized society, where oftenly the use of such substances is the only way to attain a peace of mind, mainly because the object and the subject are too far away to feel in any harmony.

    In fact, marijuana dosen't make me act like an idiot and go like "lolz i am soooo h¡gh i am crazyyy lolz". In fact, quite opposite, first I laugh, but then comes a very deep sensation of calm, and I feel my sensitivity and capacity of abstraction enchaced to the point I can almost feel what I think. It shines a new perspective on things without disorting them into dadaism. In fact, it opens the cage of logic and creates the harmony between object and subject, it makes you the hypnotizer and the hypnotized, the cause and the effect, it removes the noise from the mind and becomes a temporary but effective remedy to the illness of the mind.

    However sometimes the remedy, if abused, can become a problem worst than the one it tries to solve. Weed creates psychological addiction, and that is why it must be used with care.

    And here is where I rise a question: why exaclty should the state ban such substances? I can understand it in case of stronger drugs such as cocaine, where the damage you make to your body is extreme, but in the cases of alcohol or marijuana, to me banning such substances is plain state paternalism. Does it suppose a risk? Yes, it does, every substance does mean a risk, and not only wine and marijuana, fast food is a risk too, I don't see it being banned. Why can't we be assumed as responsible? Of course it has dangers, but hell, it's probably more dangerous to drive a car through a highway (specially if drunk :rolleyes). I'd rather prefer to be the one that takes the decisions over the remedies I take and the dangers the abuse of such tings creates, instead of having Papa Goverment over me. Up to some age, I believe most people have achieved a level of maturity high enough to know what they are doing, and thats the reason why most of the population isn't alcoholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    I believe most people have achieved a level of maturity high enough to know what they are doing, and thats the reason why most of the population isn't alcoholic.
    Quite the optimistic response. The flaw in this is that more than half of the population is involved with some sort of drug, be it marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, psychadelics, etc. This is even excluding tobacco which probably shouldn't be excluded from this count. The thing is that people, in general, DON'T achieve a "level of maturity high enough to know what they are doing". It is for this reason alone that we are forced to have a governing system. If everyone was good by nature and was responsible and reliable we wouldn't need a government at all. Unfortuantely anarchy doesn't work even in small instances like drug consumption.

    If you wonder why alcohol is legal it is simply because with our individual enculturations it is nearly impossible to make it illegal. We did try, remember the Prohibition? It doesn't work, it stirs chaos and just makes a bigger business for crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necronopticous
    Unfortuantely anarchy doesn't work even in small instances like drug consumption.

    If you wonder why alcohol is legal it is simply because with our individual enculturations it is nearly impossible to make it illegal. We did try, remember the Prohibition? It doesn't work, it stirs chaos and just makes a bigger business for crime.
    So the netherlands don't work? strange I thought they were doing well over there. So whats the differance between marijuana and alcohol? it's prohibition of marijuana which increases the drug trafficing of marijuana. :rolleyes2

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    More than half of the population is alcoholic or drug addict? Not in Spain. I don't mean "drinks" or "takes marijuana from time to time". I mean addicted.

    And tobacco is addictive and could be considered a drug, but it dosen't enter in the count because it dosen't alter you much, just calms you a little bit.

    I know some people fall into adiction. And legalization or illegalization is not going to change that.

    Unfortuantely anarchy doesn't work even in small instances like drug consumption.
    Don't get me started

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    Quote Originally Posted by necronopticous
    If you wonder why alcohol is legal it is simply because with our individual enculturations it is nearly impossible to make it illegal. We did try, remember the Prohibition?
    Prohibition still doesn't work. The substance is just mary jane now instead of alcohol.
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    For people using the Smokes/Alcohal argument...2 wrongs don't make a right. They tried to out law alcohal a long time ago and it didn't work because it had already become such a huge part of the culture. We should not allow the same thing to happen to any other substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomsday
    Telling people off for smoking pot is still pretty bad. Chances are, they'll continue it out of spite, and I know people who have done that.
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    The intent is not to tell you what to do with your own body but rather to inform everyone that drugs are a fake escape from what can be a beautiful experience.
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    God bless Necro!
    God bless Kikimm!

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    If drugs were legalized the crime rate would decrease dramatically. The underground drug subculture will cease to exist when you can go to your local albertsons and buy drugs. There wouldn't be very many homies shooting each other over drug money and whatnot. Of course, how ELSE are we supposed to keep the minorities under control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik0tine
    If drugs were legalized the crime rate would decrease dramatically.
    Hahaha, that's awesome.

    I'll bet if you legalized killing people the crime rate for killing people would drop too, all the way to 0% because it's not a crime anymore. That's one way to eliminate crime, just make all crimes legal, then no one is technically breaking the law at any given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
    For people using the Smokes/Alcohal argument...2 wrongs don't make a right. They tried to out law alcohal a long time ago and it didn't work because it had already become such a huge part of the culture. We should not allow the same thing to happen to any other substance.
    No, actually my argument is the same used by the liberals in the times of the dry law: Why should the state act with paternalism?

    I'll bet if you legalized killing people the crime rate for killing people would drop too, all the way to 0% because it's not a crime anymore. That's one way to eliminate crime, just make all crimes legal, then no one is technically breaking the law at any given time.
    I think he was refering to the drop of all the crimes related to weed smuggling, not with the consumntion itself.

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    So many of the world's problems stem from one person telling others how to live their lives.

    If someone takes aspirin to stop their headaches, are they medicating themselves to alter their perception of reality? Yes. If someone takes two aspirin every day to soothe recurring headaches, are they developing a mental dependency on aspirin to help them lead a normal life? Yes.

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    Exactly painkillers alter your central nervous system so you dont think you hurt but, you do.

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    In my opinion the US speands way to much fighting Drugs when that money could be spent educating the youth or other much more pressing domestic issues. I think weed should be legal like cigarettes, and just taxed more heavily.
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    Smoking and Drinking are worse than Teh WEED. Legalize and tax the $#!7 out of it.
    I think all three are bad enough.

    Life is beautiful without lying to your body. If you need drugs to "feel good" then it's not drugs you need, it's a new perspective on your life.
    Agreed.

    p.s. If weed was legal and they taxed the crap out of it, then people would just start growing weed themselves.

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