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    I was worried at the beginning until Bush caught up.
    I'm very pleased with the outcome of this election. Not only do we have a Republican President but the House and the Senate are also all Republican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wakka
    :rock:LONG LIVE BUSH:rock:

    HE WON
    Bush agrees!




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    The Senate was Republican to start off with, just not with the 'big' majority it has now. It's just Tom Daschle is now out. I never really like Daschle.

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    "You have to remember though is that not all 21% of the youth vote is a guarantee vote for Kerry."

    It's not really about who they vote for Proto, but the fact that they vote at all. The major factor the issues of our generation have no impact on politics is because we don't have a voice or express it, be it Republican or Democrat.

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    Both were bad candidates, Kerry is the lesser of two evils. Bush got the vote because he's conservative and that's what every God fearing American wants in a leader, right? Yeah, well, that's why he won my state. Religion is important, but a government should be led by the brain, not the bible, and most people in my state (Ohio, which I'm guessing is a target now) seem to look past that. This was especially prevelant in school today, in which there were debates in one of my classes loud enough that I was able to yell "BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES" across the room to my friend without anyone noticing. Also a girl saying, "Yay, let's vote for Kerry, the baby killer!" and a teacher telling students that a vote for Kerry is a vote to destroy America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomgaze
    Bush agrees!





    I know, Proto. Still though! I'm so pysched about it!
    One thing that really surprised me was that I thought Kerry would win. In all honesty I did. All I ever heard about was Kerry this ( making him sound like Jesus or something ) and Bush that ( how he was the devil ). This of course in my community. It was amazing to see Bush win.
    Although, Michigan gave it to Kerry. Mississippi gave it to Bush though!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo Jellybean
    One more state will seal the deal...I guess the United States is 51% moron.

    Watch it. --Unne
    Sorry, Unne, I tend to agree with him here. If not moron, then zealot, bigot, xenophobe, warmonger... take your pick. I cannot see how anyone with a good conscience could have voted for Bush. I really can't.

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    All of my friends voted except for the ones that wouldn't've voted for Bush. All the Kerry supporters didn't vote, which I find amusing.

    Eh, whatever. I don't really care which one won; they both suck. I think Bush is the lesser of two evils, but with all the complaining and misery his re-election caused in Kerry supporters I almost wish Kerry won instead just so people would shut up.

    I'm so glad I voted Libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Captain
    2. The fact that religion, once again, decided this election. I'm growing very weary of this. I'm rountinely amazed that "Moral Values" trumped the economy and terrorism in this election, but that appears to be the direction of the country. Religion has no place in politics and vice versa, it should be something completely personal and not matter in a leader. The fact that the major churches of this country supported Bush and told their believers to vote Bush made this election all but decided before the first vote had even been cast.
    Precisely. While I really detest people who unneccessarily bash on religion, since there are few things capable of greater good in an individual's life, it has absolutely no place whatsoever in politics, because it's an indisputable fact that there are few other things that have caused as much widespread devestation and suffering throughout the world. And it looks like the citizens of the world are going to continue to pay because one man was elected because he was a "religious man".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Proto
    You have to remember though is that not all 21% of the youth vote is a guarantee vote for Kerry.
    Vice versa, all my friends (of age) voted for Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
    All of my friends voted except for the ones that wouldn't've voted for Bush. All the Kerry supporters didn't vote, which I find amusing.

    Eh, whatever. I don't really care which one won; they both suck. I think Bush is the lesser of two evils, but with all the complaining and misery his re-election caused in Kerry supporters I almost wish Kerry won instead just so people would shut up.

    I'm so glad I voted Libertarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
    All of my friends voted except for the ones that wouldn't've voted for Bush. All the Kerry supporters didn't vote, which I find amusing.

    Eh, whatever. I don't really care which one won; they both suck. I think Bush is the lesser of two evils, but with all the complaining and misery his re-election caused in Kerry supporters I almost wish Kerry won instead just so people would shut up.

    I'm so glad I voted Libertarian.

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    Kerry would've fared better if he ran for president based on who he was, rather than who he wasn't. Granted, Bush is not a popular man, but to run your campaign with no other argument than not being Bush is no way to go. He really offered very little of what HIS views were, and what HE wanted to do with the country. His views, as a result, lacked consistancy, and I believe it was his apparent "flip-flopping" that killed his campaign. I can say that I would've voted for Kerry, had he spent more time on what he would do right, rather than what Bush would do wrong. The entire focus of the 2004 election was whether various Bush decisions were right or wrong. That means that when people went to vote, they voted based on how strongly they agreed or disagreed with Bush's decisions thus far, and not on whether Kerry had good ideas on how to do things better. Bush got the votes of people that liked his decisions and people who didn't care. Kerry only got the votes of people who strongly opposed Bush. Kerry seemed to assume the US was more polarized than it was. He thought people either loved Bush or hated him, and in reality, once 9/11 faded from memory, most people just didn't care. He wasn't able to convince enough people that Bush should be ousted no matter who was replacing him. Not too suprising, since that's a hard argument to support. Bush isn't a good president, but he's not so bad that ANYONE should be president in his stead. Kerry failed because he never elevated himself above that "I'm anyone but Bush" status.
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    Just of note, the two areas most directly effected by 9/11, Washington DC and New York, and probably the two most vulnerable places in the USA, chose Kerry as the person who would keep them safer.

    Then again, those "Moral Values", which I'm assuming don't include the Environment, trumped even one's safety.

    Our country is heading backward, back to the late 60's and early 70's, back to a time of very polarized beliefs and a general lack of unity all surrounding a very questionable war, and it's so very sad to see.

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    Gays are about as unwelcomed in the south and midwest as blacks were in the 60's.

    The two areas most affected by 9/11 voted highly democratic, with DC going 90% for Kerry and NY going Kerry pretty handedly.

    What hurts me most being a minority is that Republicans have had a poor repore with minorities. It's not wonder why 80% of minority votes went to Kerry.

    But let me ask you this, if these people care so much about moral values...why not just ban alcohol? Why not go for a stronger economy, because without a strong economy...people's real morals get tested. It's easy to be moral when you're living comfortable...but when dire straights are presented, many people wilt like a dead flower. Without a strong economy, you lose jobs...faith gets tested and so on...and we can't even protect ourselves because we wouldn't have money for a military.

    But I'm happy with how faithful Democratic voters voted. The top four metropolitan areas in the US(NY, LA, Chicago, Washington D.C...in that order) all went Democratic.

    To a newcomer, looking at the electoral map would assume that Democrats got whooped. We probably did, losing ground on the House, Senate, and White House. But since the Northeast, west and northern central part of the US is democratic and heavily populated...we still have a strong chance in 2008.

    All these Bush voters talk about morals, but they are probably no better than Democrats themselves or worse.

    It's funny though, on NBC news, Brian Williams mentioned how the midwest and south were sick of Viagra commercials during dinner time. And that it was a major deciding factor into moral values. Please. They don't ban a harmful substance like alcohol, but yet hate it when a product comes out for ED that's practically harmless in virtually all cases?

    I also think Kerry might have offended some of the "obese" voters. I think during an interview he said the health of America was appaling and the number of "obese people sickens me." Unfortunately, obesity is most rampant in the south and midwest...and that of course will turn swing voters to Bush voters. With the number of obese people rising, the next Democratic nominee should be careful with how he talks about fat people. But Kerry's right, if you don't have your health...you don't have anything.

    PS: Kerry's daughters are WAY better looking than Bush's daughters. Don't any of you conservatives say they're not...just look at them. Jenna Bush looks like her father...which is just...scary.

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    No one is a moron.

    You can't call a person a moron just because you disagree with how they voted.

    Shame on you for calling people morons. It makes me really sad, to be honest.

    Shame on non-voters. It's just laziness. You can always go to the polls and click no vote, but I'm pretty sure I said that before.

    As Americans, we can change the direction this administration will head if we stop crying and start doing something. Everyone upset about having Bush for another four years, go do volunteer work in the name of the DNP to raise public awareness about what Bush is really doing.

    And considering the person you're trying to win over a moron isn't just condescending, it's going to make them more steadfast in their opinion.

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