Didnt you hear theo van gogh was killed.

[TheAbominatrix]

news flash:
there were 2 fires last night in holland, because of the rasisme that has begon against ALL moslims in hollands which ofcourse is not fair. a school was burned down and there was a text writen on it: R.I.P THEO and then a white power symbole. HOlland is about to become crazy, the whole world is... is this how we will end in a third world war

How we will end it or begin it? The whole world has been crazy, it's a shame it's spread to somewhere peaceful, but stuff like this happens. We have extremists on every side, and so long as the rest of us try and remain sane and not blow things out of proportion, we should be fine. I dont see how this could start a world war, considering it's not a conflict between nations, but between idealists within the nations.

[Shadow Nexus]

This reminds me to what happened in El Ejido (in Spain) back in 1998. An arab inmigrant killed a woman in the town of El Ejido (Andalucia...or AL ANDALUS OMG!!! :rolleyes), and the nice townfolk decided that, since such thing had happened, it would be a great idea to burn down the houses inhabited by arabs. About this, the leftist humour magazine El Jueves did a cover with a bunch of idiots beating an arab saying "Hey, we are doing it in self defense".

Anyway, it's preety sad, but when people are ignorant they tend to do really shameful things. But I really doubt WWIII will have anything to do with a small bunch of racists or religious fanatics. Maybe with a large group of racists and religious fanatics.

[Flashback007]

Yes, I am also from Holland and it is not very fun at the moment. . A neighbourhood in The Hague is closed down because off that there maybe terrorist in a building. 3 agents are said to be down. Also Special Forces, Marines, ambulances etc are at the scene. They are expecting the worst. A sort of Madrid-scene, were the police attacked a building and the building was blown.

[Cloud_Strider]

Canada has been known not to be strict on anything... I think we should start... BUSH might bring the war to us sooner than later.

[Shadow Nexus]

Yes, I am also from Holland and it is not very fun at the moment. . A neighbourhood in The Hague is closed down because off that there maybe terrorist in a building. 3 agents are said to be down. Also Special Forces, Marines, ambulances etc are at the scene. They are expecting the worst. A sort of Madrid-scene, were the police attacked a building and the building was blown.

O__o

There are muslim terrorists in Holland?

Anyway, in the Madrid thing there were no dead agents though, just the terrorists blowing themselves up. I have a friend in that neighbourhood and saw the building explode. Must have been freaky.

[DeBlayde]

I've heard from several sources that many Western people aren't able to understand the middle-eastern thought and therefore cannot plan effective strategies for defending against or attacking them.

Speaking as a Westerner whose experience and training has been in Far Eastern thought, could perhaps somebody enlighten me?

does it revolve around the greater level of faith these people seem to have in their religion? Does it have to do with the male superiority thing that also seems pervasive of their cultures? Does it have to do with them being out in the sun too long? or perhaps they're desperately in need of a drink since Allah says alcohol is bad?

who knows. a good shot of fine Irish whiskey could do them a world of good. plus it's tasty.

seriously, though. any input?

[Flashback007]

O__o

There are muslim terrorists in Holland?

Anyway, in the Madrid thing there were no dead agents though, just the terrorists blowing themselves up. I have a friend in that neighbourhood and saw the building explode. Must have been freaky.

Yes, we have terrorist in Holland. Every ended well, with only one of the two terrorist was hurt. But the habitants of the houses in that area are still not allowed to return to their houses. Meanwhile it has been 24 hours ago that the neighbourhood was surrounded and people had to leave their houses. Although it now is "save" police still expects bombs in the buildings. Also a little riot was started by football-supporters at the scene with just normal muslims. And afcourse like trinity said their were fires in two muslimsschools. And this is after a week that Theo van Gogh was murdered. The Netherlands are in crisis. That is my our prime-minister and his ministers are holding a debat today. Let's hope today everything stays quiet.

[theundeadhero]

a school was burned down

The kids must have been so happy!

Speaking as a Westerner whose experience and training has been in Far Eastern thought, could perhaps somebody enlighten me?

I might be wrong on this but I think it's that Far Eastern people are willing to stop at nothing to win. They don't set boundries for themselves while the American Army tries to fight with a code of ethics.

[Trinity]

@TheAbominatrix: I know , that wont start a world war, but look at the world right now, we are on the eghe of distruction. something is going to happen , I think is will be Bin Laden, he will do something , and of course bush that dog wants war. You know this is the beginning... but our children will they be save... it sounds dramatic but I just show how scary this is , and how quick a war can start.

[TheAbominatrix]

I might be wrong on this but I think it's that Far Eastern people are willing to stop at nothing to win. They don't set boundries for themselves while the American Army tries to fight with a code of ethics.

Please dont generalize everyone who lives over there with terrorists. It's the terrorists who use those tactics, not everyone. And yes, they are willing to stop at nothing, that's how deeply they believe in their cause, right or wrong. I wont say anything further than that, it's not the thread for it.

And Trinity, I know things are scary. Wars do start quickly, especially with war-hungry nations lurking about, but the best we can do it keep a bright outlook. Dont let this destroy your sense of security. These things can happen, and they will, but life has to go on. Hopefully things will calm down again, and Holland can live in peace.

[DeBlayde]

The kids must have been so happy!

I might be wrong on this but I think it's that Far Eastern people are willing to stop at nothing to win. They don't set boundries for themselves while the American Army tries to fight with a code of ethics.

Think you confused what I asked. Far East = the Orient. Also, the Abominatrix is right, it's the terrorists who are willing to commit anything to accomplish their goals.

what I'm asking about, though, is the Middle Eastern mindset, and in what ways it differs from Western. Or even Oriental thought.

I know a guy who has entirely missed the point of tracking down the terrorists. He tells a joke of an Islamic person harrassing a Native American with an American Cowboy sitting nearby. The Islamic person says to the Native American something along the lines of, "Your people were once many, and now are few. My people were few and now are many. Why do you think that is?" to which the Cowboy pipes in, "It's because they haven't let us play 'Cowboys and Muslims' yet."

I hear such things and worry that the average distracted layman has missed the point of exactly who and what is attacking the US.

If such thinking becomes too pervasive, such a war as is being discussed could take place.

However, I would point out that this war has happened before, and the Christians lost. They were called the Great Crusades.

[Shadow Nexus]

If you ask me about my exprience with arabs, I can tell you they don't seem too much like Evil Terrorists That Want To Destroy Our Freedom. In fact, in company of some arabs I even felt a strange thing called philanthropy. And this people I refer to are probably some of the most noble I have ever came across, people I really felt knew much more about how to live than anyone in the West.

However, I am not any expert in culture, I just have travelled quite a lot, enough to develop a radical, critical view on etnocentric thinking. Or to explain it clearly, in my eyes, whoever claims we are the superior culture, the expression of progress, is a complete ignorant, an idiot who should get out of his country and see the real world, not the world according to CNN. And I know I am right, unless my memory of the oasis in south Tunisia is but a dream, something I doubt.

However, I do know no rational person would use empirical experience to try to create a universal law, and I am conscious the people I met may be far away from the general thing. Yet, I believe Bin Laden and Atta are far away from the general rule, too.

[Trinity]

@TheAbominatrix: I know , that wont start a world war, but look at the world right now, we are on the eghe of distruction. something is going to happen , I think is will be Bin Laden, he will do something , and of course bush that dog wants war. You know this is the beginning... but our children will they be save... it sounds dramatic but I just show how scary this is , and how quick a war can start.

@ the abominatrix: I know , but we are not used to it, so when things like this happen. we have to pay for thing we dont want to happen, so the gouverment isnt thinking strait. well Im not depressed or disappointed in the way I live now, but things are getting darker by the minute.


ps : why dont the world leader spare many lives by having a 1 vs 1 battle, no guns , no bombs just swords or something a battle between skills not power. that would be a little bit more fair than the way the fight each other now right?

[TheAbominatrix]

ps : why dont the world leader spare many lives by having a 1 vs 1 battle, no guns , no bombs just swords or something a battle between skills not power. that would be a little bit more fair than the way the fight each other now right?

The official reason would be that they're the leaders of our countries, and we need them for their leadership skills. If wars were solved like this, we'd probably elect people for strength rather than smarts, I'd suppose.

The more realistic one in my opinion is that they're cowards. How much easier is it to send a man to die for you than to have to risk your own life?

[Trinity]

so we dont need them for their leadership skill cause they dont lead.. ( atleast not very well)