i dont think that is right (R=U spoilers)

[squall088]

Yeah, many people think that rino=ultimecia but i dont realy think that, because they say that when you fight against ultimecia she calls the most *powerful* gf of all she says that she will call your worst nightmare and the name of that gf is Gryphus, yeah the same as the name of the ring that squall had.....well now you tell me......if Rinoa was mad because hers knight died and she remembered that squall had this ring......why will she want to kill squall.

I think that maybe rinoa and ultimecia have the same powers that had gone from generation to generation so come on and talk about this.

[Zante]

I too don't believe the the R=U teory, but the most believers reason it with memory loss because of the GF. Oh, and the GF was called Griever, not Gryphus.

PS:Next time you should ad a spoiler warning into threads like this.

[Big D]

Squall's ring is not called "Griever". Squall's ring does not have a name. It is a piece of metal with a picture on it. The LION carved on Squall's ring, necklace an gunblade is called Griever. That is all.[q=Squall088]I think that maybe rinoa and ultimecia have the same powers that had gone from generation to generation so come on and talk about this.[/q]Yep, that's what I believe too. In fact, Rinoa suggests that this is exactly what is going to happen, if you talk to her on board the Ragnarok during disc four.[q=GLR]PS:Next time you should ad a spoiler warning into threads like this.[/q]Yes. *Fixes*

[Coda]

K, couple of points.
First off im new so dont just shrug off my knowledge.
neway:
1. Rinoa (can fight)/(fights) with you in the final battle againts ultemicia.
2. Rinoa only has the same powers because its given to her from Ultemicia to Edea then to Rinoa.
3. The reason why she was able to take the power is because the story goes round in circles. ne1 thats beat the game will understand.

[Dking'squeen]

I understand completely......

[Coda]

thats a reply???
basically rinoa is around whilst ultemicia is around.

[Rostum]

You don't understand the logic of it Coda. They are in the future, they aren't in the same time, when they go fight Ultimecia. This always opens up paradoxes and all that.

[Coda]

NO!
when rinoa fights edea!
this is at the same time u see. rinoa fights edea and edea is possesed by ultemicia.

[ShivaBlizzard8]

Not sure what you meant there, but here are my two cents:

Yes, the time loop thing happens with Ultimecia's powers, but Rinoa's move forward in time. Meaning that Rin eventually will die and pass them on to someone else, and that person to someone else and so on, until generations in the future Ulty recieves them. That's how I believe it happened, I don't think R=U.

In a way, I suppose Rinoa could see herself as RESPONSIBLE for Ulty because Ulty is the final recepiant of her powers, but I don't think that that makes Rinoa physically Ulty.

[FightClubFan#47]

Ok, If you look in your information, or somewhere in the game, it says that when Adel's knight died, she went power crazy and went to take over the world. I think when Rinoa's knight(squall) she went a little crazy and tried to control time so she controled everything and had all the sorceress' power. In doing so, she began to forget stuff like her name and her knight through all the power. Or something like that...

[BackRoomKid]

YESSSSSSSSSS

I LOVE THIS THREADS!!!! LOL

Personal Opinion:
I would've believed that R=U but I looked into it a lot...and yeah, not convincing me...

[Rostum]

NO!
when rinoa fights edea!
this is at the same time u see. rinoa fights edea and edea is possesed by ultemicia.

It's the same thing, Ultimecia went back in time to posses Edea. Therefor Rinoa could be there. You see it's not so clear cut.

[fire_of_avalon]

I just don't think assumptions can be made on the subject and have any real veracity. If there were more concrete facts, like how far in the future does Ultimecia hail from, do Sorceresses have unnaturally long life etc etc.

Another point I'd like to make is that Edea didn't particularly care about her knight, Seifer. When he failed, or was injured, she basically treated him like an idiot and decided to finish things herself.

Additionally, we don't know that a Soceresses Knight is all that common. For all we know, Seifer and Squall could be the only Soceress's Knights to ever exist. We're never told anything about Adel's assumed knight (or even whether or not she had one), nor why Adel even wanted to take over the world (other than the fact that she could do it, so she did do it). I think that goes on to prove that the revenge idea is out of the question.

Furthermore, all of the soceresses in the game embrace very different powers. If you'll notice, Adel relies on non-elemental damaging magic and her magically enhanced strength, Edea relies on the more common magic avaliable to the player in the game with favortism towards ice magic (as obvious from her limit break), Rinoa uses her powers in some strange way with her limit break and her dog (she doesn't even have a specific type of magic she prefers) and it can be said that Ultimecia, though she does have the broadest spectrum of magical attacks besides Rinoa, is a Sorceress who's primary line of magic is the use of GFs. If R=U, then why are their natural uses of their powers so very different?

Honestly, I believe the use of Greiver was a psychological ploy to undermine Squall's newly gained confidence as leader. If you'll remember, Squall was far from self assured when this position was thrust upon him, and he really doesn't accept it until close to the end of the game. I don't think it was any indication that Ultimecia was really Rinoa who was scorned because Squall died.

'Sides, if he'd died then he wouldn't be in Kingdom Hearts, now would he?

[Luthien]

I don't believe in the R=U theory. It's supposed that a sorceress can read other people minds and even controled (like Edea did to Rinoa in disc1), so Ultimecia could easily had read Squall's mind and that way she found out that Griever is like "Squall's guardian angel" (at least in Squall's mind, if you cast Scan on Griever you'll see) so she used this to create the GF Griever and use it against him.

[squall088]

sorry for the spoiler thing but im new and i dont know how to do that.......and by the way this discussion is a very good one and also sorry for de confusion on griever gryphus jejejjeje i really dont thik that R=U...........