Tiamat-Bahamut = connection?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Tiamat is actually female and is the goddess of the chromatic (evil) dragons, while Bahamut is the god of the metallic (good) dragons.

In Dungeons & Dragons, not Final Fantasy.

[Flashback007]

Ok, it is very well possible that Tiamat is actually Bahamut.
"Used to be a GF. Became a monster under Ultimecia's power". Ok. If Ultimicea knew to defeated him, she also could change his name. And the attacks are like the same. And Tiamat is much easier then Bahamut, because that he resisted to Ultimecia using a lot of his powers. Then about the WEAPONS, they are also almost at the same place. I readt somewhere on this forum that there was an similartie between the clock tower and the Deep See Center. They even suggested that they were the same. Then Eden. Ok, in the future, Bahamut knows to defeat Ultima Weapon so that he can draw Eden. When then Omega Weapon appears, Bahamut also battled with him, but soon so his defeat, went back to his place. Then Ultimecia came, who (suprise, suprise) wants a powerfull GF. She defeated Bahamut, corrupted his soul and named him Tiamat.

[Braindead_Paul]

Isn't Bahamut still at the Research Center on Disc 4 if you didn't get him before?
So he would be at two places at the same time...

[Sefie1999AD]

Tiamat is not necessarily Bahamut. If it were, it'd probably have been called Dark Bahamut, like in FFIV. Just because Tiamat was turned evil at some point doesn't mean its name was changed. It was always Tiamat.

What Kishi said. FFIV's final dungeon had evil versions of both Leviathan and Bahamut, and they were called Tidariathan (Ogopogo in FF2 US) and Dark Bahamut (Wyvern in FF2 US). Most likely Tidariathan and DB aren't the same as their original versions, though. They are different in some ways, and you can also summon Leviathan and Bahamut against those foes in FFIV. The same goes with FFVIII's Bahamut and Tiamat, even though that battle is fought in the future.

[Itsunari 2000]

[QUOTE=Rusty]I doubt that Tiamat is Bahamut turned evil in the game. Other than the fact that you can use Bahamut to kill Tiamat. That would mean he could kill himself in the future. I'm not sure how that works.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/aspara/baha.htm

So , Tiamat is not a future version of Bahamut , enslaved and corrupted by Ultimecia but a separate being created by Ultimecia in an alternate time period ... so , no connection ???

[Remnant]

Bahumut could conceivably kill himself in the future. Remember the Squall could meet himself in the past. FFVIII makes no limitations on such things. Now, Tiamat killing Bahumut would be tricker, but time compression might suspend normal rules.

That said, I'm of the opinion that Bahumut and Tiamat are entirely separate entities, though they may be associated with one another.

[blue_midget192]

Yeah, a total pushover, you can even absorb dark flare.

yup i absorbed it and was plesently surprised! dunno how i did it. also i lvoe your sig!!

any way i am also of the opinion that Bahumut and Tiamat are different things, but are related brother, cousin is the word hat the officail guide uses i think. im quite annoyed now that i didn't scan him, but o well

[Del Murder]

Maybe they are cousins.

[NM]

Maybe Square were just lazy and couldn't be bothered to make another 3D model for Timat so re-used the Bahamut model and changed the colour.

[Lyndiny 1445 4eva]

its sounds like a pretty weird rumour but ive been told dat tiamat is bahumets bro or summin but for all we know dar could be no connection just dat there same sorta thing an dat summin or other ooo i dnt no but well dun m8 dis is a well gd question its had me thinkin since i 1st read it lol

[Devourment]

Tiamat is a futuristic version of Bahamut brought together by Ultimecia i think...to try & finish squall & the others off before the party reaches her...but the battle is optional though....Hmmmm???

[Itsunari 2000]

Definitely a connection ...

[Slade]

It's certainly possible. Since Ultimecia is (SPOILER) from the future, theoretically all her servants might merely be corruptions of present day characters.

Hmmm that sounds about right. I mean, youve got a corupted Visage (Gargantua), a corupted Behemoth (Catoblepas), a corupted Iron Giant (Red Giant) so im all in favor for Taimat being a corupted Bahamut.

And this probably gonna sound a bit lame and i dont blame you if you wanna kick me but have you noticed that Tri Point looks like an evil version of the Ragonarok?..........maybe im just talking out my arse but just remember, stranger things have happened.

[nihowma buffet]

i really don't see them mixing the two characters. both had their first appearances in ff1. tiamat was the fourth fiend, and bahamut ruled the other dragons in the cardia(?) islands. it's always been my assumption that since bahamut was for the most part always a help to your party, he was always "good" and since tiamat never helps your party and is generally always a boss, then he's always "evil".

in ff1 especially, i see tiamat as a rogue dragon from bahamut's clan that came into power from garland/chaos, and possibly underwent a cosmetic change as well.

any logic to this?

[Sepho]

Isn't Bahamut still at the Research Center on Disc 4 if you didn't get him before?
So he would be at two places at the same time...

It can be assumed that once you enter any of the portals to or from Ultimecia's castle, you're changing times. Moreover, during disk four, "time compression" is in place, and the idea of making sense of time can be discarded entirely.