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[UltimaLimit]

Okay, I'm pissed. I've played through several FFs, and not once have I been able to use pure Wind, Water, or Shadow element magic spells. (I'm not talking things like Choco-Mog, Typhoon, Darkside, etc.--I mean pure, like an Aero materia and an Aqua materia.) Take FF7, for example--we get Fire, Ice, Bolt, Quake, Bio, even Demi--but no sign of Aero, Aqua, or Shadow. How the hell are we supposed to take advantage of an enemy's Shadow weakness if we have no Shadow spells, dammit!

You get my point. Any reason you can think of why Square constantly holds out on us and doesn't give us all the elements to work with? Remember, I'm talking just plain ordinary magic, not summoned elemental spells or other special elemental skills. My point is made, so I'll shut up and let y'all take over for now. :yap:

[Zante]

In FFX, they even cut the available elements down to only five. If it will continue like this, in the next FF there won't be any elements at all.

Oh, and which game had the Shadow element???

[nik0tine]

In FFIX there was shadow magic that you could use. In some of the FF's, such as FF8, Aero WAS a useable elemental spell.

[Jolts]

FFVII had Tornado (wind).
FFVIII had Aero (wind), Tornado (wind), and Water (water).
FFIX had Doomsday (shadow) and Water (water).

[Super Christ]

And then X had Water, Watera, and Waterga.

What was the 5th element in X?

[One winged angel of death]

i like aero that sucks

[Del Murder]

And then X had Water, Watera, and Waterga.

What was the 5th element in X?

Holy perhaps?

Holy has always been my favorite. As long as they keep that one in, I'm fine. Having a lot of elements is neat though.

[UltimaLimit]

Forgot about Water in 9, my bad. Been forever since I played, and I've only played 7, 9, Tactics, and (some of) 4, so I didn't know about some of the others.

Doomsday, strictly speaking, isn't a spell. (It's a skill where you pay with HP instead of MP--not bad with Blood Sword.) If Vivi had Shadow, Shadowa, Shadowaga, that'd be cool. *wandering off topic a little* Instead we're stuck with that crappy Meteor spell. It's a bit much even with Auto-Regen. Ice2 Reflected off of my 4 team members is more effective usually. Eat 9999, Behemoth.

Anyway, I hope Square remedies this during their next FF.

[DJZen]

How the hell are we supposed to take advantage of an enemy's Shadow weakness if we have no Shadow spells, dammit!

You mean like Shadow Flare?

Any reason you can think of why Square constantly holds out on us and doesn't give us all the elements to work with? Remember, I'm talking just plain ordinary magic, not summoned elemental spells or other special elemental skills.

Some things are supposed to be elusive. Their very rarity makes them so special. If Shadow was a common spell, it wouldn't be nearly so cool.

[SeeDRankLou]

Doomsday, strictly speaking, isn't a spell. (It's a skill where you pay with HP instead of MP--not bad with Blood Sword.)

In FFIX, Doomsday is a spell Vivi can learn with the Mace of Zeus, it costs 72 MP.

[Jolts]

Yeah, and it attacks everyone on the battlefield, including your own party. That's why I prefer Doomsday Sword. A little weaker, but still effective .

[Flashback007]

I do agree with UltimaLimit. I some games the elements just aren't good enough. If we look back to FFI, we there have four fiends, each defending a element, plus we have a Ice Cavern, That makes:
Earth
Fire
Water
Wind
Ice.
I think these five should be standard is the games. These are the five bassical elements of the world. Ice is even a form of water, so. But these five should be always available in a FF-game. Then about other "elements" like Holy and Shadow. I don't really consider them as a element. They are both two opposite. They are like the ultimate black magic (Shadow) and the ultimate white magic (Holy). They should always keep it till last and even then it must cost a lot of MP and gil. If you receive these spells in the beginning of the game, it will lose all of it's "magic". So the spell system must be looking something like this:

Earth, Earth2, Earth3 and Earth4 (the same for Fire, Water, Wind and Ice)
Holy
Shadow (or a different name)

I think this looks actually very good. Throw in some healing spells and some status spells and your finished.

[Jolts]

You forgot about lightning/thunder. It may not be a really major elemental, but it's my favorite one, so I hope they keep including it .

Actually, now that I think of it, electricity is what allows living being to move. So it is important. (small electrical serges from the brain to the body part is what causes it to move)

[Flashback007]

You forgot about lightning/thunder. It may not be a really major elemental, but it's my favorite one, so I hope they keep including it .

Actually, now that I think of it, electricity is what allows living being to move. So it is important. (small electrical serges from the brain to the body part is what causes it to move)

You're right. I forgot Thunder. It is an important spell. If you look to every FF-game. The three spells Fire, Ice and Bolt never did go out of any FF-game. All three of them were in every game. I don't know for sure about the other elements. But I believe that Holy is also such a kind of spell. Always in every FF-game. Altough in FFVII it wasn't a useable spell.

[Jolts]

Yeah, Lightning/Thunder/Bolt, whatever. It's the only one where they can't decide what to call it. Well, that and Demi/Gravity.
Thunder doesn't even make sense, to me, because thunder is the sound that lightning makes. Eh, but what do I care--as long as it's electrical .