Why the heck do people call Final Fantisy VII a good game!?

[Trumpet Thief]

chaos: *Sigh* He has probably already left, you know. Even though you hated some of the things he said, you hated his opinion, he actually listened when I said something. Perhaps you guys should stop being so ignorant as well.

Rubedo: For one, yes, FFVII was a good game, but if someone doesn't like it, that doesn't mean you should go kill someone, or hate the person for eternity. Hell, if you say that, that only makes me want to puke. IMO, although this game is good, it is very overhyped, wait, let me rephrase, SO OVERHYPED that someone, who I admit, was new to RPG's, and shouldnt've blamed FFVII for that, gets flamed by 50 + user's, all saying the same thing.

chaos: I enjoyed the battle for this game, although, I found Cloud a bit dull for my tastes, even if he had a reasoning. He became better afterwards. I hated how all that Tifa could say was "remember that day blah blah blah years ago?"

Rubedo: The graphics, even now, to me, are splendid, and in most games, they shouldn't even mean anything.

chaos: The music, although repetitive, was quite good, and brought quite emotional scenes etc.

*sigh*

[Halenite]

Finally, someone else who noticed that he has left.

[Gregoriev]

but yeah, still here guys. Been really busy with school and playing FFVII. After taking some people's advice, i decided to keep going with it. And it is not such a bad little game, more like a charlie brown christmas tree type of game in my opinion.

The music still sucks a bit, but the tracks have improved since i left that dumb reactor place. I still have to tune into my favorite radio stations during gameplay, but i listen in every half hour to 20 minutes for something cool.

Visuals...well, we all know i hate them. but you have to realize, even beta halo 1 in 1997 had better graphics. go look at the "evolution of halo" at www.fileshack.com. Also, i know PC and console graphics are alot different, but the ps1 is capable of alot more, just look at what it did compared to FFVII

Gameplay, well, with more progression comes more powerups. Did you think i didn't know that??? I may not be in love with FF, but i have played my fair share of them, KOTOR for example. but anyways, the attacks do seem to have gotten a little neater, but the visuals for them do still fall into the bad visuals area. As for playing itself, it's not half bad...although predictable still.

Character dev. and story: well, the story does seem to pick up after that reactor thing, i am not totally sure about what's going on...but yeah, it's all there. only real complaint is that they story didnt grab you and take you for a ride right from the get go. That is one of the best signs of a great story. If in vice city you were not attacked and your life was not on the line to get all your money and crack back, would you have gotten into it's plot as well? Hell, DOOM 3 had a more gripping plot in the begining. who here was not truly afraid of going down to that lab to get that scientist guy in the begining after hearing all the stories about ghosts and voices...with just a pistol. a damn pistol! it's a travesty! and then of course, all hell breaks loose (literally) and the "plot" advances from there. but still, right from the get go you really did care about the plot, or at least about not soiling yourself when you have some hell demon lurking in the shadows just out of sight and you are totally naked with...your trusty pistol.

so, in conclusion, i take back alot of the things i said from before. However, this game is still WAY to damn overrated. The visuals still suck, even if they are from 97, they still do and i would have thought the exact same thing in 97. The music is getting better, but i still prefer my radio. The plot is really great, i am too tired to give a summary and see no point in giving one to people who clearly have played this game in their sleep.

Visuals: Same as before
Music: 5/10 (Still have not heard the good music yet)
Gameplay: 7/10 (more variety is better, plus i get it now)
Story: 8/10 (only complaint is that it took too long to get started)

[SeanWY]

C'mon, I hate how everyone likes this game when I know it's not as good as ff6,

But I don't try and complain when it's still a really well made game.

[Raistlin]

The music still sucks a bit, but the tracks have improved since i left that dumb reactor place.

You mean you wrote that whole "review" without leaving the Reactor?

[bEoWuLfX]

:mog: how dare you complain about the game before leaving the reactor! Seriously, I don't think you have the right to rate it before beating it atleast half way. this is you now... and now this is me Yup.

[feioncastor]

Here we go....

Seriously, i have NO IDEA!!! What do you people see in this game!?

Visual rating: 3/10
all i saw were some pretty backgrounds, and characters that look like they were the greatest 3d acheivements on a damn SNES! The CG looks great, the models look just like syphon filter 3, except syphon filter did not have as a nice texturing, but then again this is CG, not the actual game models you play with. THOSE are a damn joke! they are boxy, the dude with the huge sword..well, his hands, seem slightly separate from his body, the sword twirl gets old after the first three battles you win, the enemies are stupid looking, and the attacks are worse! THe most laughable thing is when they try and add actual facial expressions to these people, OMG that is just so funny because they do it so badly!

Final Fantasy was a huge franchise, even before this, so bringing the characters to a 3D life was a huge deal for us RPGers. They don't really have facial expressions, outside of FMV. The sword twirl is a cool finishing move, better than anything that they've come up with since then.

Sound: 2/10
They have 5 tracks, each song about 3-4 minutes in length, and i swear, if i didn't turn off the sound and put on my favorite radio station i would go INSANE!!! a damn game that has nice CG cut scenes and spans 3 freaken disks should not have mysic that sucks so badly. and don't give my any BS that you are supposed to play the game with no sound and the radio on, the sound is supposed to help emerse you in the experience, not water it down!

You are gravely mistaken. This game has an expansive soundtrack, and probably some of the most memorable musical pieces in video game history. Not as good as FF6's soundtrack, but no game is as good as FF6's soundtrack. How long did you play before you turned the sound off? Long enough to hear 5 songs, each song 3-4 minutes in length? If you had the sound turned up, you would've heard the other 20 or so songs in the game.

Gameplay: 1/10
OH wow...it's just horrible, and i have played some bad turn based games (anyone remember pokemon?). the random battles are annoying, especially if you have a 10:00 time limit before you bomb goes off. at least turn that damn fearure off during that one part!!! DAMN!!! as if that weren't bad enough, the controls are both clunky and bad. on screen you character wanders around, and you get lost easily becuase the background is drawn so well you have no freaken clue what is an exit, and what isn't. and if your charcter is not being hung up on an invisible wall, or box, or...air, then we would have slightly less of a problem. in battle, using hte same repedative attacks so early in the game is just not right. sword guy uses bolt, black dude using gatling gun, and everyone wins no matter what. the largest ammount of strategy is knowing when to use elixer and potion. wow...so hard...the ps1 is capable of so much more....

Really, the 10 minute time limit is at the very beginning of the game, as is the 'Sword guy' using bolt, and the black guy using the gatling gun. How much of this game did you actually play before you decided you didnt' like it. I played through all of FF8 before I told everyone that I hated it.

Regarding not finding the exit, you just have to push Select, and little arrows pop up that show you where everything is, even Cloud.

Story: ? (it's gonna be low)/10
What is the story? i know that like 40 minutes into a game like this you should know a bit more than you do, and on top of that, what is with the text boxes? i have seen what the ps1 can do, and guess what!? it supports VOICE!!! some voice and subtitles would have gone a long way in helping me give a damn about reactors sapping away the planets magical energy or life fore or whatever. as far as "character building" goes...i have no seen any. and to think, i thought i was going to get something good when i read so many rave reviews. i want to get into final fantasy, i really do, but clearly VII is NOT the game for me.

There are many MANY, PS1 games that do not have voice. In fact, there are far more that do not have voice than those that do. Final Fantasy IX was released for the PS1 without voice, a few years after FF7.

And besdies, whether there are text-boxes or voice doesn't fall under the catergory of story. Those would be gameplay issues. Story is strictly the storyline of the game. Like whether or not the game would make a good book or movie. And there's way more to it than reactors. You didn't play this game enough, obviously, or you'd know that the problem at hand is really not reactors. After about 5 hours of playing, you'll know that Shin-Ra, and the Mako Reactors really aren't the REAL enemy.

OVERALL SCORE: 3/10
Why do they like it so much? how could this game have made final fantasy go mainstream and become a masterpiece for the ps1 that like everyone who has ever liked turn based RPG/stragety should own? the graphics suck, the sound is worse, the gameplay is horrible,

Because of all the stuff I just said above

and i am doubtful anyone really cares about the plot, or cannot stand the first three to the extent they play through enough to start giving a damn.

You are doubtful of this? Then I wonder why game reviewers all over the world give it good marks for its story. What is the story, by the way? Why don't you try to break it down for us all really quickly.

so plese, fanatical fans of this board, just tell me, why? be civilized about it, i have written like 5 paragraphs from the heart about why this is not a good game, and why it should have never made FF so popular. but now you, the people who like it, tell me why you think i am wrong, or better yet, people who hate it tell me why i am right. or find some possiton between the two. but just tell me why....

For one thing, this game is one single entry in the Final Fantasy Series. Final Fantasy IV and VI were both way better, so to judge all FF games based on FF7 is very unfair. Final Fantasy VII is an excellent game, and if you don't think so, that's fine. But know that many people do think so, and they'll continue thinking that way, so there must be some truth to it. Playing FF7 is a wonderful experience, and I hope someday you'll open up a bit, and enjoy all the entertainment this game has to offer.

Feion

EDIT: I just read your post and saw that you progressed a bit in the game, and I am very happy for you. You'll soon find yourself engrossed in one of the best games ever made. Really, the music does get a lot better, as does the story. Wait till you have been to a few more reactor things, and then lemme know what you think of the game.

Good luck! Oh, and if you ever get stuck in the game, be sure to ask for help rather than quitting because when you complete the game, you'll be friggin shocked as heck. Again, good luck man! Thanks for giving it a fair shot.

[Ultima Shadow]

The music still sucks a bit, but the tracks have improved since i left that dumb reactor place. I still have to tune into my favorite radio stations during gameplay, but i listen in every half hour to 20 minutes for something cool.

The music will get better... don't worry. OWA kicks ass.

Visuals...well, we all know i hate them. but you have to realize, even beta halo 1 in 1997 had better graphics. go look at the "evolution of halo" at www.fileshack.com. Also, i know PC and console graphics are alot different, but the ps1 is capable of alot more, just look at what it did compared to FFVII

The FMVs are still beautifull... even though this game was made back in 1997. For its time they where supreme.

Gameplay, well, with more progression comes more powerups. Did you think i didn't know that??? I may not be in love with FF, but i have played my fair share of them, KOTOR for example. but anyways, the attacks do seem to have gotten a little neater, but the visuals for them do still fall into the bad visuals area. As for playing itself, it's not half bad...although predictable still.

Gameplay will improve alot in the later stages of the game...

Character dev. and story: well, the story does seem to pick up after that reactor thing, i am not totally sure about what's going on...but yeah, it's all there. only real complaint is that they story didnt grab you and take you for a ride right from the get go. That is one of the best signs of a great story. If in vice city you were not attacked and your life was not on the line to get all your money and crack back, would you have gotten into it's plot as well? Hell, DOOM 3 had a more gripping plot in the begining. who here was not truly afraid of going down to that lab to get that scientist guy in the begining after hearing all the stories about ghosts and voices...with just a pistol. a damn pistol! it's a travesty! and then of course, all hell breaks loose (literally) and the "plot" advances from there. but still, right from the get go you really did care about the plot, or at least about not soiling yourself when you have some hell demon lurking in the shadows just out of sight and you are totally naked with...your trusty pistol.

Trust me... you've not even experienced 2% of the whole amazing story yet. It have alot more to give.

so, in conclusion, i take back alot of the things i said from before. However, this game is still WAY to damn overrated. The visuals still suck, even if they are from 97, they still do and i would have thought the exact same thing in 97. The music is getting better, but i still prefer my radio. The plot is really great, i am too tired to give a summary and see no point in giving one to people who clearly have played this game in their sleep.

Visuals: Same as before
Music: 5/10 (Still have not heard the good music yet)
Gameplay: 7/10 (more variety is better, plus i get it now)
Story: 8/10 (only complaint is that it took too long to get started)

Well... you should NEVER rate a game when you've only played it for a few mins... or even hours.
Play trough the whole game and then rate it. Not the other way.

[*ETERNAL FANTASY*]

Hey Cheer up people now...lets acknowledge the fact that this person was man enough to take back what was said...

[Cloud Strife fanatic]

If graphics are such a big f**king deal, then why did so many games like mario, fianal fantasy Ect. make soo much money! tell meeeeeeeee!!!
:chop:

[DJZen]

How dare you insult one of (if not) the best games of all time?!

He's hardly the first.... Not everyone liked the game you know.

Do you not realize that FF7 was one of the few brave games willing to leave th foundations of 2D graphics and take a leap into the then unknown world of 3D graphics?

Yeah, 'cause in 1997 3D was SUCH a new thing that NOBODY else was doing :rolleyes2 I mean heck, it wasn't like some sort of concept that hadn't been tried before and might fail utterly. The PS1 was designed with 3D graphics in mind, and Sony has actually been pressuring companies for quite some time now to make only 3D based games. It's not so much bravery as it is fitting in.

Sure the graphics are a little out of date now, but they where second to none back in their day.

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.... Please....

If all this fails to help you realize the greatness that is Final Fabtasy 7, then you should realize that Sephirath and his sick sword are way too cool to be ignored.

Heidegger is far cooler than this "Sephirath" and his "sick" sword

[bEoWuLfX]

that's kinda funny cause I thought Heidegger was kinda of a tool to the Shinra men. I mean he had some good stuff there, but I thought that Reeve was by far cooler, but I think the most sinister of the Shinra board members would have to be that crazy blonde chick or palmer. no one ever suspects the quiet ones.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

My God DJZen is going to eat you alive for that comment.

[feioncastor]

that's kinda funny cause I thought Heidegger was kinda of a tool to the Shinra men. I mean he had some good stuff there, but I thought that Reeve was by far cooler, but I think the most sinister of the Shinra board members would have to be that crazy blonde chick or palmer. no one ever suspects the quiet ones.

Scarlet = Crazy Blonde Chick


Heidegger is the most sinister. They all have their places. Hedeigger is in charge of the weapons and such. Reeve is in charge of urban development. Palmer is in charge of Space Exploration. And I've forgotten Scarlet's job.

Reeve is definitely the coolest. You know, he is Cait Sith. So he does like Cloud and the gang.

Feion

[Gregoriev]

Don't any of you give me this load of BS that Final fantasy VII has such "awsome" graphics "second to none" and that "They were the first to bravely adventure into a new realm" or whatever the hell you said.

007 Goldeneye came out in 1997 (Best Last gen FPS of all time...next to perfect dark)

Do i really need to say more? THAT was the shiznaight, and the PS1 had superior hardware to the N64 at the time.

AND, the pretty bitmap image with some characters moving around in a pseudo 3d environment may strike some nostalgic chords with people over 25, but honestly...and truly from the bottom of my heart i say this: No....no... :rolleyes2