Why the heck do people call Final Fantisy VII a good game!?

[MistaCloudStrife]

If ff8 didnt surpase ff7 for graphics, they wouldnt let it out, Square has a standard to surpass, As better and newer technology became avilable, and the limits of the ps1 was explored more it would obviously get better graphics wise.

I never liked FFIX's graphics... IMO FFVIII's were better... the CG movies were great though... the in game graphics.... sucked imo...

I like disproving people... i'm sorry... But yeah, you can say that its all on opinion whether if it was better or not graphics wise... But i say what i think... =D

[SquallKicksAss]

I am an extremely big FF7 fan, so you can guess where this is heading... As for Graphics, this was the first 3D game that Squaresoft made and it was all relatively new technology. The Playstation had just been released and this was one of the first good games on it. Although they could of done better, I think it's pretty good. Infact I like to laugh at the poor attempts at expression.

As for Sound, I found the music the best part of the game! I don't know how anyone could dislike the music in this game! I could listen to it for hours and not get bored.

For Gameplay, you only played 40 mins?! There ya go... If you know RPGs at all, you'll realise that the first hour or so is mostly setting the scene and introducing characters and bad guys and the like. Once all that is out of the way, it get's much better.

As for my views on other Final Fantasy games, well anything made after FF7 is absolute crap. I hate all of them after 7. They're all just big showcases of graphics and new technology. None of them have good characters or a decent plot. Most don't even follow the traditional Final Fantasy style of gameplay anymore... And let's not even start on The Spirits Within. That was pure blasphemy.

FFVIII seems to have had better graphics than FFVII, alot better actually.

FFVIII had the worst graphics I had seen! The models were all pixelated, for Christ's sake! I played that game for about 5 minutes and then threw up repetitively on myself. I absolutely loathe that game and will never play it again.

Anyway, I understand that you have the right to an opinion and all, but you really are missing the whole point of FF7. It's not about how good the graphics are or even how good the music is. It's all about character development and plot. As you progress through the game, you meet more characters. You watch these characters grow and learn, and you can relate to them in different ways. You watch the story unfold and you begin to piece hints together and develop expectations and assumptions. Most of the time, these will be wrong. This keeps you guessing, and urges you to play on. I admit, it may take a while for some things to happen, and Cloud just doesn't make sense most of the time, but if you give it time, it all works out. That also may have seemed like a big bunch of mumbo-jumbo, but RPGers should know what I mean.

Anywho, if you don't wanna play it, then don't. I can't force you, and I wouldn't if I could. I recommend it totally, but it just isn't the right game for some people.

~Jim

[bEoWuLfX]

yeah, I thought ff8 was way more pixelated then ff7. if you ever saw squalls winning pose or anytime they zoomed his hair, it looked like tiny squares. Well, I think the backgrounds got an improvement. Earth worm Jim, how can you actually hate all ff's after 7. You haven't even given 8 a chance and here you are telling the guy to play past the first hour. Not only that your user name is Squallkicass. Hypocrit!

[Raistlin]

FFVIII had the worst graphics I had seen! The models were all pixelated, for Christ's sake! I played that game for about 5 minutes and then threw up repetitively on myself. I absolutely loathe that game and will never play it again.

*reads through that paragraph*

*looks at your registered name*

*confused*

*reads again*

*still confused*

[SquallKicksAss]

Ah yes, I can see why you'd be confused... Well, I tried to register a new account on EoFF but I couldn't, cuz I can't use my e-mail with two accounts. So I kept this old one.

The thing is, I like Squall himself, as in the character. He's kickass. He's a cold, insensitive, selfish prick. I like that. He pretty much tells everyone else to piss off. It's funny. Okay, I may have made an exageration with the "5 Minutes" thing. I played it for a lot longer... 'Till I got up to the bit with the train hi-jack. By then I was pissed off. That Selphie chick is a ditzy little whore. Seifer is just a wanker. Zell has problems with his anger. Quistis is up herself. All the characters suck. Plus Irvine looks like a girl.

Anywho, I just don't like all the Final Fantasys after FF7 that they've released so far. Maybe FFXII will be better, I don't know.

~Jim (Looking like a bit of a jackass right now)

[BackRoomKid]

THOUGHT ON GRAPHICS

Well of course, not the best graphics. But probably the most impressive display of graphics, for that time, would be the realease of the Weapons. That was just an awesome CG scene.

[Raistlin]

The thing is, I like Squall himself, as in the character. He's kickass. He's a cold, insensitive, selfish prick.

*dies laughing*

He pretty much tells everyone else to piss off.

He tells everyone else to piss off because he's an angsty teen. He's worse than Cloud.

[Gregoriev]

CG scenes have always been awsome looking, relative to what you actually get to play with in the game.

but yeah, i agree, the CG scenes are impressive, everything else is not however. these days every console wants a launch game that shows exactly what this console can do. now in reality that would be only around 3/4 of what it can process, but for launch titles that's awsome!

compare halo 1 and halo 2. halo 1 is awsome looking, better than many games that came out for hte xbox console, halo 2 however is much more optimized and takes much more advantage of the xbox's capabilities, so it has pretty much the best graphics. or at least one of the top five. fable and some others can fall into that catagory too.

in the next year we will see the console breaking games coming out. These are games so incredibly detailed and large it will take multiple DVD disks to play them and they will push the framerate to it's bare minimum before things start getting choppy.

but i digress.

one more thing, whast's the deal with the guy emulating some other chracter from the game because: He's kickass. He's a cold, insensitive, selfish prick.

That's not right dude...if it is true, then you should change since it's no way to make very many friends.

[Sephex]

1) FFVII looked blocky because it was Square's first attempt at 3D on a hardware that they didn't know much about at the time.

2) There are many tracks to the game. The OST takes up 4 CDs. It is a matter of opinion if you like it or not.

3) If the gameplay is so bad, then why do you even like Final Fantasy games let alone RPGs? Most RPGs have a fighting system like FFVII. At least other FF titles do.

4) Text boxes are fine. The game would be terrible if it voices because localization sucked back then. Ever play the original Resident Evil? Exactly.

5) To me, it was a good game that I enjoyed very much. It brought back elements I enjoyed from previous FF titles along with new things I could tinker around with. The materia system was fun to use. At the time the FMV sequences were beautiful. A couple of them still look great to this day.

I know you took some of the things you said back, but if you are going to slam a game, please play it for more than 40 minutes...especially if it is a RPG.

[Havoc]

I don't know what to make of this thread. The original posters' `rants` are so incoherent, it is tough to adequately respond. I'll just say this: If you've missed out on the magic that is FFVII, then too bad for you. I just hope - somewhere down the line - you've experienced a game, movie, or whatever that is half as good as FFVII.

-Alex

[UltimaLimit]

Good job taking back some of the stuff you said. *takes back drunk comment I made earlier* Four points:

1) Game reviewers pretty much never finish the games they review: I can understand that if it's a magazine or something, but I don't think that cuts it in this setting. EoFF will (barring disaster) still be here after you've finished FF7. Finish the entire game, consider playing once more to get any stuff you missed the first time, and then review to your heart's content.

2) I personally thought this soundtrack was pretty good. Listen to Still More Fighting (boss fight theme) and try to tell me it isn't good. If you want a crappy soundtrack, I personally found FF9's ST annoying. (But then, I never was a huge fan of the game...)

3) The graphics: they were good for their time first ever to do 3d blah blah blah now for my point: I noticed that generally, crappy character-models (like Cloud "Hoof-Hands" Strife) move through excellantly done backgrounds. (Reach the end of disc 1, around a certain Aeris scene, and you'll see exactly what I mean.) However, practical things like items and paths and exits sometimes get lost in the detail (and I don't care what you say, Select doesn't show everything). Still, I thought graphics were pretty good.

3 1/2) As for the "time goes on, graphics get better and stories get worse" thing: I haven't played most of the newer ones, but with FF7 as my first and FF9 as my second, I think I see what you mean. FF9 was good, but IMHO, it just wasn't as good as VII. (FF9 had 4 discs to 7's 3, yet I went through them a lot faster--and not just because of gameplay.)

Finally: I think the reason many people (me included) jumped on you was because in several cases, you were disrespecting something they had many fond memories of. FF7 was my first big RPG, and I was wowed by it. Not to mention fond memories associated with the game, etc. (Though like I said earlier, choosing this forum on this website to air your poorly formed opinions was definately a mistake.) Attacking this game--and (without meaning to) those memories... that got people mad.

I've typed too much. *yawns*

[Juke]

If any one thinks the game is horrible, you are all wwrong. They do not make games like they use to. For one thing the game takes at least 50 hours to complete which is much more than most games through out history. As for graphics they were average but that is only because of the good gameplay. If the graphics were top notch then the game play would have been lower. If you really pay attention to the story line you will really get inot the game.

[Renatus]

okay, so i may have been exagerating when i said there were like 5 themese, i agree there, i bet it all changes from cd to cd as well, but it was annoying, i guess i just don't have the taste for this music. i will also hve to look out for the 1 good track you mentioned.

now, voice may not be much to you, and i personally was able all the same to get into the plot i could get within 40 minutes, but voice helps you identify with your character, make you feel like you can relate to their situation, and actually care about what happens to them. good plot is needed too, and i am positive this game has a good one. the rating was not based on the plot itself, but mainly by how long it took you to find out enough to even begin to get into it. if it takes too long it turns off begining gamers. you see where my marketing type thought line is coming from?

you are not supposed to "get used" to anything when it comes to a game. innovative controls that enhance gameplay, maybe (Steel Batallion), but visualsthat serve to confuse you more than actually help you find your way, umm...no. you can mess with alot of things when it comes to the "getting used to" department, but visuals are NOT one of them.

as to wether or not i detesed the game from before i started, well, i have to say you have a small point there. i was never a big fan of turn based games based on leveling. i try though, that's why i got FFVII a few days ago. it was supposed to be the best of the best for PS1, so said everyone i knew who was into this kind of game. (i don't own a PS2 yet, so don't even start)

That's pretty pathetic, you know, bitching about FF7 without good points. The game was released in 1997, what were you expecting fool?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

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