What Should we Legislate?

[The Captain]

Indeed. Abortion is that tricky issue where science and religion clash yet look to each other to find an answer.

Take care all.

[nik0tine]

The problem is, that a lot of people (including myself) think that abortion does infringe upon the rights of another, (namely the child) that is where we get into disagreements with "pro-choice" people.

I too, despise abortion, but a baby does not have rights because a baby does not legally exist. If you are not yet in any data base than you do not exist legally, and therefore cannot be proctected by any legal rights.

And my personal opinion on abortion is that the government should stay out of it to a certain extent. However, I won't complain too much if they make it illegal to perform an abortion after the baby has functioning nerve cells. If it can't feel what you're doing to it than fine, go ahead, it's not my business. However, I know neither you nor I would particularily enjoy being dismembered, and I think anyone thinking about getting an abortion should think about just that one concept before going through with it.

[Harvest Moon]

I think our goverment is generally fair and just, however there is a few tweaks I would make to the system. Okay, many tweaks..

1:
Taxes would be 20% of items purchased OR an annual fee, not both. There is no reason our goverment needs THAT much of our hard earned money.

2:
We as a compassionate conservatives would encourage holy union not by insiting homosexuals be disallowed marriage but by putting stricter penalties on divorce and allow fines for infedelity. Love is Love is Love.

3:
Being a free nation, marijuanna would be legal. However it is to be distrubeted and sold as if alchahol, have a surgeon general's warning as ciggerates, and all the same rules apply while under the influece.

4:
We as a state focus less on "scientific theories" and more on scientific realities. IE: Getting car companies to work on a more adequite hybrid so as to destroy our growing energy crisis problem and put less of a burden on our eco-system.

And 5:
Stop doing buisness with all non-friendly nations. They don't like us, we don't like them. I don't care if it's a little more expensive, I don't want Jihad's dirty money knowing he sold cocaine and suicide bombed a library inorder to get it and I most ceartainly don't want to do buisness with fascist scum that has thier own people working like slaves in sweat shops simply so they can have houses of gold. If we're to "not negotiate with terrorists" then both the U.S and the U.N needs to take that statment seriously or everyone in the world needs to shut the hell up.

Oh, and deffinitly fix the postal service. Yeah, I'm ceartain four out of every five mailmen does some sort of narcotic..

[GhandiOwnsYou]

First off, the abortion thing? it's absolutely sick, and absolutely unnessecary. read up on yoru abortion procedures and see what it sounds like to you. I'm not going to get into the specifics, it's gruesome enough i actually worry about being banned for detailing, so yeah. IMO there are enough contraceptives, both before and after the fact that abortion is completely unnessecary. if you haven't made a rational choice three days after sex (the usual time limit to prevent conception, it's an ongoing process for a pregnancy to actually begin. up until 72 hours, the Morning after pill -NOT RU-486!!!! NOT RU-486!!! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE- is still effective to prevent conception. this, combined with condoms, birth control, and any of the more drastic medical means and pulling out, there is no excuse to say "well NOW i don't think i want this developing child to have the right to live." at this point, a woman should be expected and required to tough it out for her kids sake. After you've signed the loan papers the banks aren't gonna just let you change your mind and give you your interest back, are they?

Onto the rest of it (sorry, abortion really really drives me up the wall. its recockulous.) I think the govt. doesn't need to change it's position so much as refine it's means. They need someone to just fine tune things. its the little things that add up, ya know? I work at a foodlion, and i can't tell you how many people still get foodstamps through technicalities, and they come in driving BMW's chromed out, with huge platinum chains and complete Fubu sweatsuits. it's ridiculous, the way our govt. hands out cash to people who don't need it. i'm all for foodstamps, no one should starve, but if you get foodstamps you better be shopping at walmart or the thrift store. same with welfare and anything else, or useless military or diplomatic spending. that stuff needs to stop. fine tune the economics, that finetunes the policy, and that makes everything run smooth enough to start looking at the issues instead of the budget.

[lordblazer]

America is a strange exception to many rules as I've heard it argued that we're both a Democracy and a Republic, which to me would leaves a very interesting situation:

Democracy - Rule of the majority
Republic- Rights of the minority

I think, first and foremost, America HAS to get Religion out of politics. All Churches who told their people to vote for a certain Candidate, in either case, should get some form of punishment to prevent this from happening again.

Ironically, when JFK was running for office, a big issue was raised about how much the Pope would influence him and now, 40+ years later another Catholic runs and this time has the Vatican turn against him.

America also needs to reform the healthcare system. Something closer to what Canada, England and most of Europe has would be a good direction.

Finally, I thought Bush was against nation-building and I agreed with him on that count because that puts way too much on the shoulders of one country. If America wants to help a nation get on its feet along with the help and support of other nations, besides Poland, that's fine, but this go it alone tactic is not going to benefit the country.

Take care all.

so your saying my uncle John should get some kind of punishment for saying get out there and vote .He also stated he didnt care who you voted for but vote.Then he goes and all you young people get out there and vote.Then he goes "I didn't march and get teared gassed and beaten by police and attacked during church services during hte civil rights movement for you guys to take your freedom for grant!"Yeah alot of people in my church feel strongly about it mainly because they were in the civil rights movement and dealt with a lot of hardships.I mean you can't make it illegal for a church to say that.Yeah so wat if a black REv. says vote democratic. So what if a White Rev. says vote republican. I mean so what people actually and surprisingly have there mind made up and i guess your from europe and you guys are more secular aobut things anyway..Like I notice how its not even religion in government that bothers you guys but religion period.
I mean the USA can't make a law that contradicts the constitution dude.and I mean your making it sound like the REv. is saying "Hey if oyu dont vote for bush the you'll burn in hell forever."Thats like saying Rev.Jessie JAckson shouldn't have ran for president int he 1980s.I mean get over it because thats not the biggest problem.Its politicians making matter of moral into a poltical issue when it relaly isn't.Because a Rev. isn't an influence on politics at all.

edit- responding to the bush part.I relaly personally and my hwole family.doesn't like the bush family.Heck they never did.They knew them for the dirty oil people they were.Also with the health care issue.Well you know if it has to move towards the direction of Canada.Then that means higher taxes.Now come on the only reason why we became a country is because people wanted to BS about it.Also a few states have tried to pass laws like this.Most of them were progressive states which actually vote on rather they want to have higher tax rates on something or not.Kinda ironic uh?Anyway theres a lot more to american poltics.Like Americans really need to start distrusting politicians.I mean most of them are all the same.They have hidden agendas and in the end its about the money.No matter who they screw over. Now the out sourcing needs to stop .but this is a free enterprise country.I love it but sometimes I hate it.Like Europeans are with keeping religion out of the government.the USA government really doesn't want to get too much involved with the free market.But regulation really is needed.A lot of factories were I live are just abandoned because they found out they can out abunch of Thai kids into a sweaty work-shop and pay them 1 cent a week.Yeah they use to do this in america with everyone until the government intervened and put a stop to it.But more regulation is needed with these corporations.Also do what progressive party member T.R. did.And get back to the conservationist goals.Heck there wouldn't even be national parks int eh USA or even trees at that if it wasn't for T.R.Anyway long story short there is a lot of tweaking to be done.

[The Captain]

Perhaps you misread my statement. My point, though this is now old news, is that Catholic churches were saying that voting John Kerry is a sin, thus by default you MUST vote for Bush to be a good Catholic. I have no problem if any person says go vote, but to push your specific agenda as fact and to call the other guy a sinner, crosses the line in my book.

Take care all.

[lordblazer]

lol I typed more into the edit if you care to read it dude i just updated at the same time you ironicly replied.

edit- i said that in my last edit lmao.but even though they say this a lot of people with common sense in the chuch.Knows that "hey the bible didn't say it so heck I'm not gonna belive it and I'll vote for whoever I want to vote for!"

It really was jus t politicians who was using it for there agenda to win.This is why the republicans ar ethe ruling parrty.This sucks.

[The Captain]

Funny how that happens? No harm done.

I'm not against religion, I think it helps a lot of people, but I feel that this country has made religion into a political tool for the masses instead of something more personal. I've always thought religion, in the best way, is a kind of personal moral code and guide, but in our country, it's becoming more the social and political code that everyone must follow, which doesn't fly with me.

Glad we cleared that up. No disrespect meant or intended.

Take care all.