http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592
Though I can't say it was entirely unexpected, this may well open Pandora's Box.
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Jason Giambi Admits Steriod Use
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592
Though I can't say it was entirely unexpected, this may well open Pandora's Box.
Take care all.
I was actually going to make this topic, but couldn't decide where to put it.
It's a real shame, though, as someone who follows Bay Area sports very closely. Giambi had a hell of a year in 2000, and now you have to really wonder whether that was tainted by the use of steroids, much like Ken Caminiti's MVP season back in 1996.
And speaking of Caminiti, I would say it was his claim that at least 50% of ballplayers took steroids that opened the box. I'd rather not believe it until I see some concrete proof; I never doubted Giambi, for instance, until I read about his grand jury testimony a little while ago. The same thing applies to the other athletes involved intricately with the BALCO investigation: Gary Sheffield, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and, yes, Barry Bonds.
What now for Giambi, though? His 2004 campaign left a ton to be desired, and his ailments line up with a few of the symptoms that come from extended use of steroids. They say he'll be 100% for next spring, but he'll likely suffer from all the attention he'll receive from his admission.
This also puts Bug Selig in a heck of a bind in that if Bonds is proven to have taken steriods, what happens to all his achievements?
Take care all.
Take away any and all acheivements made by players who take steriods. If Pete Rose can't get in the hall of fame for gambling, you certainly shouldn't be able to get in for steriod use. I wants an asterisk by Bonds name for every record he breaks, if it is to be listed at all.
Yeah, I'm sure that working out is what made his hat size increase by 2 sizes in 2 years.
It was so obvious that Giambi was on roids. He lost a ton of weight and had a horrible year. I wouldn't be suprised if Ryan Klesko was on roids as well, after his injury riddled 2004.
Originally Posted by Cid
Mr Thou! Mr Thou!
Completely agreed.
No <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/lovesmile.gif>. Its not like Rose even bet against his team. He bet that his team would win. I agree....asterisk!!!!
Quick! Test everyone now before they try and stop then fire all of their over payed asses
I've never especially liked Barry Bonds, and Hank Aaron is just a great guy. I hope it's revealed that Bonds used steroids, too, and he gets the maximum penalty.
what a waste, although it all makes Billy BEane look even smarter.
I hope you all realize, of course, that Barry Bonds hasn't been proven guilty of anything. Just please remember that while you're bashing him unbasedly.
Giambi is probably through. I don't think the Yankees will want/need him around now, they'll probably pay him to play elsewhere.
To me it's just entertainment. I'm not going to give much thought to the 'integrity' of a game where people hold out because they know they can get 7 million instead of 5 million. Giambi hasn't been playing well so who cares about him. This whole thing is about Bonds, whether anyone admits it or not, and about what he has been doing for the last few years. I don't know or care what Bonds did. Drugs don't make you see the ball better and know what the pitch is, and if they did it really doesn't bother me. All I care about are two things:
1. If I am entertained
2. How my fantasy teams do
Whatever players do to maximize those two things works for me, as long as they don't hurt anyone. And Bonds is damn entertaining. Giambi, not so much anymore. It's really just a game, and if players want to take supplements to get an 'edge' in a game, then that's their risk. Of course, if I played baseball I'd probably be pissed at these guys for cheating, but I don't, so it's hard to get worked up about it.
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is using steroids any worse than throwing spitballs?
You're pretty much like KB, defending players you like with a "see through paper plate KFC bias" that Del Murder so hilariously described. Why should everyone have to take Barry Bonds' word for it? You said it yourself, you defended Giambi and then look what happened.
What's stupid about the testing in 2003 was that they were random, no names attached to the tests. Privacy my ass, I love how the Olympic committee is so committed to steroid policy. If only pro sports can adopt that policy, but they can't because they don't want to. The olympics attracts everyone, whether Michael Jordan is in the olympics or Jeffrey Thompson, everyone watches. If the league lost someone like Kevin Garnett, it would be devastating economically. But not like KG takes steroids, he's a freaking beanpole.
My thing is, until there is difinitive proof out there then I won't convict anyone of anything in my mind. It might be a matter of bias for some. A lot of people want to see Barry fail along with those who want him to see. The bottom line is without proof all stances are based on opinion, a base about as flimsy as a slice of greasy pizza.
As opposed to Giambi, which was proved since he admitted it. Bonds has not and will never admit anything. He's too smart for that.
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Ultimately, what worries me most is the health of any athlete that has taken steriods or is thinking about it. Sure, Ken Caminiti died more because he did drugs, but I think steriods also greatly contributed to it.
Frankly Del, I must say that the mindset of the fan that you describe worries me because I think that is what drives players to push their bodies to the limit and then take something to compensate, so that they can entertain and continue to do so, even if after 3 or 4 years in retirement they die of a stroke or something to that effect. I'm not knocking your attitude at all, I just don't share it.
As much as it pains me to say this, athletes should be concerned with being role models to all the people out there in this aspect: that they shouldn't make it seem okay to take steriods and thus heighten the risk for a premature death.
I've always considered myself a purist in sports to some extent, though I like the wildcard in baseball, thus I've never been a fan of the homerun parade and perhaps, if this steriods scandal does indeed explode and is somehow put under control, baseball might benefit from it as everyone won't be so eager to juice up and hit dingers, but will instead care about winning, setting a good example, living a good and a full life. If attendance of baseball must suffer in order to allow the players to have healthy post-career lives, so be it.
Sure, there is some glory in living your life on the edge, doing extraordinay things with your time and dying before you get old, but is it worth it?
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