LONGEST EVER LIFE AT LEVEL 23

[Auronhart]

I need to get around to doing a No-Junction Challenge...

It is pretty easy except for Ultimecia.

Game is simple on lower lvs coz every boss is easy and u just junction ultima. i beat it with all chars below lv 20. simple! its harder on a higher lvl

Every boss is easy on high levels too if you use the bonus abilities. However, you can junction ultima to something more useful if you level.
By the way, I am pretty sure Ultimecia's level is set.

[Captain Maxx Power]

I do be doing better, with level 12 odd squall, 16 or so Rinoa, and about 1x for everyone else. Boy do I have an obsession with perfection

[Danger]

I just carded everything throughout the game and ended up in disk four at about level 20 with all the kick ass magic I needed. It's really not that difficult.... then I took it one step further with the stat maxing trick which completely ruined the so called up coming challenge of the last part of the game.

[amratis]

I need to ask a question about this level-difficulty thing so I'm going to start a new thread, please be kind and read

amra

[bEoWuLfX]

I beat it at level 14, but I got all the good weapons. Generally the low level game is not very difficult, but it is more time consuming. Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.

[Auronhart]

I beat it at level 14, but I got all the good weapons. Generally the low level game is not very difficult, but it is more time consuming. Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.

That's right, unless you junction something good to magic it is a pain to draw all that.

[Flashback007]

I never focussed my party on Quitis and Selphie so they were around level 20 etc. But Irvine was with me at level 40 or so.......Every thing went fine untill Ulti's castle. Damn I had some hard fights there.

[Auronhart]

I was told that Omega is always the same no matter what level you fight him at, so there's no reason not to be at 100. But, I level up because... well, I like big numbers. So I can't really confirm that.

I can, I approached him with a low level party of Rinoa, Quistis and Zell (all at their original levels) and he was level 100. In the PC version he levels up with you though.

[ninja-yuffie]

omega wepon uses level 5 feath. that is the onluy reason that made him so damm hard for me cause i was level 75 when i bet him, please every one note this is what happened to ultimicai:

i usead an aura stone on squall on each part of the fight, basicly there is no escape from continus lionherting.

for that attak were she puts all your chars to 1 hp, i carded angelo into 100 mega elixiers (i had auto hste) she went down like a brick in water

[ninja-yuffie]

(i was level 80) :P max stats (almost)

[Auronhart]

for that attak were she puts all your chars to 1 hp, i carded angelo into 100 mega elixiers (i had auto hste) she went down like a brick in water

That would be the Bahamut card.

i usead an aura stone on squall on each part of the fight, basicly there is no escape from continus lionherting.

No escape? How about the other two limit breaks that are more powerful than his?

(i was level 80) :P max stats (almost)

Easy.

[Ultima Shadow]

It is pretty easy except for Ultimecia.

And Omega and Ultima Weapon. Man, THEY are CRAZY in the no-junctioning challange!

Every boss is easy on high levels too if you use the bonus abilities.

Yea... but they ARE even easier if you're at low level with good enough junctioning. Seriously... you can get most stats maxed out even without the bonus abilities thanks to Str+60% and stuff like that.

Junctions need to be near perfect and drawing magic is a definite pain in the butt.

Really? Junctioning only needs to be about average and drawing isn't that painfull really. All you really need to do is use the refine abilities in an effective way and draw alot from bosses. It's really not that bad.

[Auronhart]

And Omega and Ultima Weapon. Man, THEY are CRAZY in the no-junctioning challange!

I don't think anyone has killed Omega yet, so he doesn't count. Ultima is bad, but not close to as annoying because of his low HP. (except that you have to walk all that distance) I can beat Omega on the PC version, but he levels with you on that.

Yea... but they ARE even easier if you're at low level with good enough junctioning. Seriously... you can get most stats maxed out even without the bonus abilities thanks to Str+60% and stuff like that.

1. You can't max all of the useful stats. (HP,SPR,STR,VIT (you may be able to max) but SPD(well you can't use bonus abilities on this, but it goes up when you level) LUCK can be useful too (such as for Zell's limit and it goes up with level))
2. It doesn't matter anyways, everything is one limit break kill except Ultimecia and Omega (possibly Ultima) and Omega/Ultimecia's (don't quote me about Ultimecia, but I'm pretty sure it is true) level doesn't change anyways. Next point, nothing does any serious amount of damage when you have maxed Vit/Spr (except terra break or medigo flame (or equivalent)), so you might as go with the faster speed team.
3. Second to last point, it is less of a pain to get all the magic and everything if you don't have to avoid leveling in disk 3.
4. Last point, using str+60% or any ability like it wastes an ability spot.

In theory, the best setup is to be low level and max HP,STR,VIT,MAG,SPR and SPD, but this takes so long it is unrealistic. Carding enemies for magic and items in disk 3 makes almost no difference to the outcome of your party and takes much longer. (could make them a little worse than if you just used the bonus abilities, especially against Omega weapon)
Really, it is up to the player, but I haven't seen any reason so far not to use level 100 characters pumped with bonuses.

Really? Junctioning only needs to be about average and drawing isn't that painfull really. All you really need to do is use the refine abilities in an effective way and draw alot from bosses. It's really not that bad.

I think he was trying to draw with low magic.

[Ultima Shadow]

I don't think anyone has killed Omega yet, so he doesn't count. Ultima is bad, but not close to as annoying because of his low HP. (except that you have to walk all that distance) I can beat Omega on the PC version, but he levels with you on that.


1. You can't max all of the useful stats. (HP,SPR,STR,VIT (you may be able to max) but SPD(well you can't use bonus abilities on this, but it goes up when you level) LUCK can be useful too (such as for Zell's limit and it goes up with level))
2. It doesn't matter anyways, everything is one limit break kill except Ultimecia and Omega (possibly Ultima) and Omega/Ultimecia's (don't quote me about Ultimecia, but I'm pretty sure it is true) level doesn't change anyways. Next point, nothing does any serious amount of damage when you have maxed Vit/Spr (except terra break or medigo flame (or equivalent)), so you might as go with the faster speed team.
3. Second to last point, it is less of a pain to get all the magic and everything if you don't have to avoid leveling in disk 3.
4. Last point, using str+60% or any ability like it wastes an ability spot.

In theory, the best setup is to be low level and max HP,STR,VIT,MAG,SPR and SPD, but this takes so long it is unrealistic. Carding enemies for magic and items in disk 3 makes almost no difference to the outcome of your party and takes much longer. (could make them a little worse than if you just used the bonus abilities, especially against Omega weapon)
Really, it is up to the player, but I haven't seen any reason so far not to use level 100 characters pumped with bonuses.


I think he was trying to draw with low magic.

1) Omega Weapon IS possible that way. Therefore he counts. I've still not tried it (I've got so much other stuff to do) but I WILL do it because I KNOW it's possible. Just give me a reason why he shouldn't be possible.
2) Even though Ultima Weapon have lower HP than Ultimecia I found him ALOT whorse. And yes... by alot I mean ALOT!!! Why? Well... I fight him at high levels and he's the fastest creature in the game and he can kill your party before you get a turn.
3) Whatevr. FFVIII is so **** easy anyway so you really don't need to make it easier.
4) Oh, yea... and Ultimecias first, second and third form is NOT set. About the final I don't know.
5) Whatever...

[Auronhart]

Oh, yea... and Ultimecias first, second and third form is NOT set

Do you know what their hp is, nothing I've seen has had conclusive results. (most give just one value though) Now that I think about it though, you are probably right, because some guides say that griever has 120,000 hp and I've killed him with 80,000 before. Still, it doesn't make too much of a difference, Ultimecia still has a maximum level.

Omega Weapon IS possible that way. Therefore he counts. I've still not tried it (I've got so much other stuff to do) but I WILL do it because I KNOW it's possible. Just give me a reason why he shouldn't be possible.

I know he's possible, but when I realized he is always level 100, I realized how impractical beating him is. If you are good Zell can do 40,000-50,000 (lets say 40,000 because of mistakes and lower time limits) in one duel, Wishing Star can do 40,000 and homing laser can do 10,000. That is about the best you can do, which means if you are super lucky it goes like this W=wishing star, D=Duel, H=homing laser, A=acid and I=invincible moon.
A (he has vit 0 on) D W (80,000) (H D I H D W H D W) (does 270,000 each time) repeat 4 times. Ok, getting invincible moon 4 times in a row (I have had 3 times in a row once against him) is super unlikely in the first place, second Wishing star doesn't happen close to as often as I pictured, it would be more likely to require 6 or 7 invincible moons at least. It also is pretty hard to get 40,000 damage on average as well if you don't usually get 12 second duels.

But....I am still trying it anyways .

3) Whatevr. FFVIII is so **** easy anyway so you really don't need to make it easier.

I know, but carding enemies is boring, why not do a fun challenge instead.

2) Even though Ultima Weapon have lower HP than Ultimecia I found him ALOT whorse. And yes... by alot I mean ALOT!!! Why? Well... I fight him at high levels and he's the fastest creature in the game and he can kill your party before you get a turn.

Hmm, yeah but he only has one form which means you don't need to luck out as many times in a row. I think the most annoying part would probably be that you can't save right by him.