Now where does communism come in??

[Shadow Nexus]

I WILL RAPE YOUR WOMEN, EAT YOUR BABIES AND BURN YOUR HOUSES.

And no, China is not a communist or socialist country. China has the ability to combine the worse of socialism and the worse of capitalism, or at least judging from what I know of the chinese system. Fun fun fun!

By the way, I see people who refer to communism as imposible and yet, later, they refer to "communist" countries. That is a contradiction: either it is possible and happens, or communist countries don't exist. Thats why the term "socialist" is used when refering to a so called communist country. Communist countries don't exist...or else I'd move over there.

An all capitalist government would master export and trade, allowing for more and more money and mopre and more power and more and more freedom.

Yep, you are right, capitalism in it's pure state would be like this. However, I feel I don't find the relation with...

"allowing for more and more money and mopre and more power"

and

"and more and more freedom"

More power and money lead to more freedom? I doubt it. The example of nazi Germany should be enough to go against that. If you mean such case of freedom would be created by wealth and power rising in a capitalist- not fascist- nation, then I want to know how would you defend such thing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you sound like an anarco-capitalist, wich basically means capitalism taken to the extreme where goverment influence over corporations is non existant (in a way, the goverment dosen't even exist). Or you sound like a neo-liberal, meaning you believe that the restrictions from the state on corporations should be very, very minimmum. I always failed to understand both anarcocapitalists and neoliberals.

[DeBlayde]

i would kill the damn seal in order to keep it from starving to death. that's only humane.

communism is impossible because the communist countries people refer to don't last long, or the system has been corrupted, or they simply fall apart. hence, impossible is usually operantly defined as impossible to maintain for a great length of time.

fascist = bad

why? because fascist is rule by strength, but intimidation, by violence. you don't like my way of thinking? :shoot: that's the fascist means of government. it's the kind of government my Brother in Law understands. but he's a neanderthal. and not good enough for my little sister. and hasn't a thought in the great gaping space within his head.

[Martyr]

Shadow Nexus: Bro, I don't know what I am. I've never heard those words before. I don't think that I'd trust the business world to be perfect on it's own- I want to learn about anarcocapitalism or neoliberalism now.

Maybe pure capitalism wouldn't spread too much freedom.
But it'd be really nice to think that people would either adapt to the system or disappear. Maybe it'd be a somewhat ruthless world, but a successful one. And everybody who became successful would be about as free as possible, right?

Or do I need to take a couple political science courses?

[Strider]

They say the only reason Communism doesn't work is because it involves people.

[Shadow Nexus]

Maybe pure capitalism wouldn't spread too much freedom.
But it'd be really nice to think that people would either adapt to the system or disappear. Maybe it'd be a somewhat ruthless world, but a successful one. And everybody who became successful would be about as free as possible, right?

There is a problem there. In every system you must admit people who refuse to accept it. And some of those people may just not adapt correctly. Examples of people who didn't manage to adapt: Van Gogh, Federico García Lorca, Hölderlin, Spinoza, Marx, Nietzsche, Goethe, Gaugin, Biedma... well, they are considered geniouses, and they had a critical spirit. By making critical members of the society dissapear, you are eliminating free thought, because you are simply admiting that the ones who disagree with the system could not exist. Would it be a succesful system? Of course, it would be great in production, it would be peaceful, it would be economically splendorous and....it would be fascism. By eliminating the possibility of the critical spirit, or in other words, by forcing people to adapt into the system, you are eliminating freedom.

As for those who would succeed, in a system such as capitalism, where production seems to be the main objective, being succesful is having a good economical position. On a simple analysis, yes, it's freedom, cause you have money, you don't have to work and can lead an hedonistic life of waste and luxury. However, in the end, thats just being enslaved to your money. It is not real freedom or real pleasure. In fact, I have never met a "succesful" person who is happy. And I have met many of them, after all, I come from an aristocrat family.

[Auronhart]

They say the only reason Communism doesn't work is because it involves people.

Yep, that is correct. The early Christian Church was the only sucessful communist group that we have had so far.

[nik0tine]

From what I've seen in America, we should cut them off. An all capitalist government would master export and trade, allowing for more and more money and mopre and more power and more and more freedom.

That's absurd. Freedom and capitalism will only mix for a short while. You see it happening right here in America. Once people are rich enough, the few will dominate every business industry. Let's just see YOU try to start you're own business building you're own name brand computers. You WILL fail, because the industry has already been taken over by the rich. After a while, all industries will be controlled by small amounts of people, who will then have all the money. Money is power, and they will then dominate everything. In other words, a large percentage of the population will have no freedoms, while the top 1% will control everything.

But nobody will do that. Nobody wants to kill a damn seal. There certainly isn't anybody who can ignore the pleas of stupid, violent, uneducated morons of the lower class.

And why is it that the lower class are uneducated you ask? Oh yes, because it is YOU conservative capitalists who refuse to fully fund education. I blame their problems on YOU.

[Martyr]

And why is it that the lower class are uneducated you ask? Oh yes, because it is YOU conservative capitalists who refuse to fully fund education. I blame their problems on YOU.

We did an experiment where I live. All the schools were equally funded for a while. 5 good years or something.
After that time, the schools in the lower class neighborhoods were approximately no different at all than if they'd been given less money.
I don't know why poor people don't learn. I don't know why they destroy things so much more and more often. Especially when their education should be the same!

But anyway, it's okay if you blame the problems on me. Nobody wants to take responsibolity for themselves. And I understand that. It's hard to admit it when you realize that you're a hopelessly stupid loser.

[Teek]

I am the radical for Capitalism. I want to abolish all socialistic thought in our country, which I blame for all downfall. I loathe communism and socialism more than you can know, and I see it not as "good in theory", even, but the denial and chokehold of the human individual.

I believe that anyone who holds that the creed "from each his own ability, to each his own need" is claiming that an individual works solely for the benefit of others and gives nothing to himself. Every bite of food he takes is morally not allowed, since there is another, hungrier indivdual out there.

I want laissez-faire capitalism to be the norm in today's world. Today, we have a mixture of socialism and capitalism ("mixed economy"). Any and all problems with our system can be blamed on these socialistic ideals (Social Security, the inability to enter the "free" market, etc) .

And, anyone who claims that "Communism is a good system that doesn't work becuase people are evil!" or "Capitalism is a sinful idea that was created to promote greed!" or "I am my brother's keeper!" or "Communism isn't a bad concept!" or "We must set aside our personal interests for the public!"... is either ignorant, as I hope, or evil in the fullest sense.

And, true enough, "communism" isn't the problem exactly, at least, not nowadays. Socialism is the problem. That and a bunch of spoiled brat rich kids, wealthy off of a capitalistic society, whom (in order to sound intellectual) claim that Marx was a genius. Marx was, as far as I see it, the enemy of indivdualism.

[Shadowdust]

We did an experiment where I live. All the schools were equally funded for a while. 5 good years or something.
After that time, the schools in the lower class neighborhoods were approximately no different at all than if they'd been given less money.

One question though. Do you mean all schools as in within the same grade levels like all high schools or all middle schools, etc.? Or do you mean all levels of education got equal funding? I ask this because if we're basing this on the middle school or high school level only for funding, it may already be too late. If students don't grow up with equal education opportunities as other schools, how can they experience and learn to appreciate what they are learning?

As far as education goes, I don't believe it all to be funding though. We need teachers that care again. It seems like it's all about collecting a paycheck these days rather than brightening students futures.

As for communism, the original intention of communism was good. Unfortunately, power no matter where derived become something that can easily corrupt a leader with the best of intentions for his/her people. Of course, I believe that to be typical of any government including our current democracy. All forms of government start out with good intention but all become corrupted in time by the overwhelming amount of power that comes with leadership.

[Martyr]

One question though. Do you mean all schools as in within the same grade levels like all high schools or all middle schools, etc.? Or do you mean all levels of education got equal funding? I ask this because if we're basing this on the middle school or high school level only for funding, it may already be too late. If students don't grow up with equal education opportunities as other schools, how can they experience and learn to appreciate what they are learning?

Hmm... That's an interesting point. It may have been for curriculums across the board, but I can't be positive.
I only know of it being done for high schools.

[nik0tine]

But anyway, it's okay if you blame the problems on me. Nobody wants to take responsibolity for themselves. And I understand that. It's hard to admit it when you realize that you're a hopelessly stupid loser.

Careful who you call stupid. I may be a hopeless loser, but you will have a hard time proving my stupidity. I'd flame you right now but im in no mood to get banned.

We did an experiment where I live. All the schools were equally funded for a while. 5 good years or something.
After that time, the schools in the lower class neighborhoods were approximately no different at all than if they'd been given less money.
I don't know why poor people don't learn. I don't know why they destroy things so much more and more often. Especially when their education should be the same!

It has to do with the fact that they are forced into piss poor neighborhoods. You'd be violent too, if you had to watch you're back on the streets every night, or if you grew up in a violent neighborhood, where drugs infest every street corner because that is the only way for any of them to make a decent amount of money. You'd be selling the drugs, too. I would, anyone would. I can speak for you in this instance because it is simply human nature to do what makes sense. The environment a person grows up in can play a major factor in how they grow up. Because poor people are often ignored, scorned, and hated (especially non whites) by people like you, it is no wonder that they are so violent.

[Hawkeye]

It's hard to admit it when you realize that you're a hopelessly stupid loser.

Martyr, that was the worse form of debating skills that i have ever seen in my entire lifee. you absolutly proved no points there. If you plan on writing something, write something decent

The poor get poorer when the rich get richer. It is something with the education system. I wouldnt know if it had to do with funding, but i seriously doubt that a man living in poverty has the knowledge on areas as market economics, politics, and the justice system, then a person of wealth

[Doors]

The idea of the communism is to live in peace with people and get everything with your work.There would be no big companies just stuff handed to you.Immensely boring if you ask me and the global resources wouldnt hold out with that anyway.

[Axamenta]

This might be news to you all, but penguins are actually communists. You see, what they do is, they all go out fishing and then they get all the fish on one big pile and they divide it equally. So, animals without a sense for ethics, can pull off a system based on solidarity, and people can't. Hmm.

I, for one, think people are perfectly capable of making it work. Most people just aren't. To put it bluntly: Lenin did a great job, Stalin destroyed the Revolution Lenin fought for and succeeded in. Not only Stalin; nearly all the communist leaders in history after Lenin. Is it not strange that the only communist state that ever worked out was the first one? 'Cause don't tell me Lenin was a totalitarian; he was everything but.

I believe in the concept of communism. If penguins were capitalists, half of them would be fishing, and the other half would collect the fish and eat it. Solidarity is something we desperately need, I think. Without it, man will always be unhappy.