The JENOVA-theory (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[novarta]

as well as i remember hojo tought that cloud was a a failure clone first. but before the killing hojo he said that cloud was succesful.
but didn´t cloud realise in the lifestream that he couldn´t be in the better soldier class because he really wasn´t a clone, but zack was in the upper soldier class because he was an sepiroth clone experiment.

[Doors]

To be honest, after killing all the Jenovas under 5 minutes(the death one under 3), I dont understand what kind of "power" it might have. :P

[nihowma buffet]

lol!

i agree.... but in the story she's powerful.

[Doors]

lol!

i agree.... but in the story she's powerful.

Cant argue with that.
But think Diablo 2...if Andariel can destroy a country,how cant she and her 1000 minions destroy one amock-running adventurer

[Raistlin]

here's my two cents.
but i believe that it was mostly sephiroth until he died in the mt. nibel reactor.

Sephy didn't die there. He was swept by the mako up towards the North Crater, where his body was frozen until Cloud neatly handed him the Black Materia to summon Meteor.

[feioncastor]

Sephy didn't die there. He was swept by the mako up towards the North Crater, where his body was frozen until Cloud neatly handed him the Black Materia to summon Meteor.

But the Mt. Nibel reactor scene took place before the start of the game, so I guess, the Mt. Nibel scene would be a flashback. Later, you see Sephiroth stil frozen in Mako in the Northern Crater. So it couldn't have been the real Sephiroth that you follow from Midgar to Junon and so forth, because the real Sephy was thrown into the Mako by Cloud before Cloud ever met Barret, and hooked up with AVALANCHE and all of that.

Therefore, the Sephiroth that (SPOILER)killed Shin-Ra, the Midgar Zolom, and even Aeris isn't really Sephiroth, but rather is someone posing as Sephiroth, which I believe must be Jenova. I understand Sephiroth, and who he is, but I dont' get Cloud. Was Cloud really a clone? Was he injected with Jenova cells? What happened to Nibelheim? Why didn't they all know Cloud? I know someone said that Shin-Ra rebuilt the town and hired actors, or repopulated with other people, but I mean.... I dont' know.... Now I'm all confused.

Seriously, if someone feels up to doing a lot of typing, they should explain Cloud's REAL life, in chronological order, at least, up till he joins Barret at the beginning of the game.

Feion

[Raistlin]

But the Mt. Nibel reactor scene took place before the start of the game, so I guess, the Mt. Nibel scene would be a flashback. Later, you see Sephiroth stil frozen in Mako in the Northern Crater. So it couldn't have been the real Sephiroth that you follow from Midgar to Junon and so forth, because the real Sephy was thrown into the Mako by Cloud before Cloud ever met Barret, and hooked up with AVALANCHE and all of that.

That's exactly what I said.

Therefore, the Sephiroth that (SPOILER) killed Shin-Ra, the Midgar Zolom, and even Aeris isn't really Sephiroth, but rather is someone posing as Sephiroth, which I believe must be Jenova.

That's also what I said.

Was Cloud really a clone? Was he injected with Jenova cells?

Yes, he was a "clone." Yes, he was injected with Jenova cells.

What happened to Nibelheim? Why didn't they all know Cloud?

In Nibelheim, read that note on Tifa's desk. Explains everything. Yes, Nibelheim was burned down/killed, and Shinra actors(mostly Sephiroth clones) were hired to do the part of the citizens.

[feioncastor]

In Nibelheim, read that note on Tifa's desk. Explains everything. Yes, Nibelheim was burned down/killed, and Shinra actors(mostly Sephiroth clones) were hired to do the part of the citizens.

Is that why you see so many guys in the black robes wandering around Nibelheim talking about the reunion?

And if Cloud is a Sephy clone, then wouldn't they have kept him in a lab or something rather than putting him in Nibelheim to grow up?

Feion

[Juke]

This is how it all went down. Jenova is not sephiroths mother, that lady luceria is, that lady that vincent talks to in disk two in that cave. Hojo is sephiroth's daddy which means those two did the dirty dirty. When he was born hojo experiemented on a bunch of people including sephiroth with the jenova cells. cloud was also part of the experiment when he so called joined SOLIDER. When Nibeleim burnt down, sephiroth found out he was part of a experiement and flipped out. He goes to mount nibel to free jenova, because he know feels she is his mother, maybe by manipulation, because it happens to could when he buggs out so it muts happen to him as well. Cloud ends up defeating sephiroth but obviously didnt kill him and five years later cloud ends up in midgar confused.

[Raistlin]

Is that why you see so many guys in the black robes wandering around Nibelheim talking about the reunion?

Yeppers.

And if Cloud is a Sephy clone, then wouldn't they have kept him in a lab or something rather than putting him in Nibelheim to grow up?

Well, it's debated that "Sephiroth clone", in the FF7 world, means nothing more than having been injected with Jenova cells(hence Red XIII's tatoo, and he obviously wasn't a real clone).
There's also the alternative and much less-supported theory that Cloud was a literal Sephiroth clone, and was considered a failure, possibly being abandoned on a Nibelheim doorstep.

cloud was also part of the experiment when he so called joined SOLIDER.

There's no in-game evidence for Cloud being injected with Jenova cells before Hojo captured him after the Nibelheim Reactor incident.

[Maxico]

There is no way that cloud is a clone. What so ever.

He is called a failed experiment because he and zack were experimented on in nibleheim after they were stabbed with sharp stabby things. Zack was the successful experiment and cloud was the failed one. On that occasion there were only two so Im assuming that he didnt nead to tattoo them for identification.

[Raistlin]

There is no way that cloud is a clone. What so ever.

He is called a failed experiment because he and zack were experimented on in nibleheim after they were stabbed with sharp stabby things. Zack was the successful experiment and cloud was the failed one. On that occasion there were only two so Im assuming that he didnt nead to tattoo them for identification.

Nope. They both failed.

[BudSoda02]

This is pretty confusing. Well Zack & any other SOLDIER there is has Jenova cells injected in him/her. (Or I'm wrong maybe they get showered with mako, Cloud got the 'shower' after being injected.) Cloud, Sephiroth & Sephiroth's 'clones' all have such a high amount of Jenova cells in them that it can cause histerics. Like Cloud fading in & out of the world (blacking out even) because of the Jenova cells & Sephiroth somehow manipulating them to cause Cloud to follow him & in Disc 2 give him the Black Materia. Sephiroth went nuts after reading the 'Jenova Files' & discovering Jenova's presence in the Niblihem Reactor. The black caped numbers just kind of went nuts when Sephiroth manipulated them. Jenova was manipulating Sephiroth, but there was no need to do too much, as Sephiroth went REALLY nuts & promised Jenova to eliminate the planet & all who stood in the way. This included Shinra, Sephiroth's former employer.
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Also you discover that Cloud used Zack's identity when Tifa's in the Lifestream with him. Also it goes into further detail in disc 3, when you examine the tubes in the Shinra Mansion (which never burnt when Sephiroth set the town on fire.) & you'll see a flashback between Zack & Cloud going to Midgar, that's how Cloud got to Midgar. Zack got killed by the Shinra troops after a brave fight & Cloud was thought to be dead, because of his state at the time. He grabbed Zack's sword & ended up moving toward the train station in the sector 7 slums.
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I'll tell you more later I've spent a long time typing (and remembering) this. It's bought back a lot of memories of my first time going through the FFVII world completely, doing ALL of the sidequests. Those were the good ole' days.
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[finalheaven]

ok im confused too..ppl say that cloud is a clone or hes not...ectect ...hojo did make clones of sephiroth...and he used cloud and zack to experiment on. as soliders...i think they all had somehting injected into them..mako.was it..??..as 'the soliders all have those eyes' yes cloud was a failed experiment..but he was mentally stronger then zack. so when he woke up after being experimented on...he took zack sword and took his memories...wait was zack killed??..ok u know what im gonna re -read all this ...btw thanks Budsoda02 for ur time..^_^

[BudSoda02]

SOLDIERS are all 'showered with Mako. I think Cloud got more than the others (although he wasn't actually a SOLDIER) as part of the experiments on him when he first went to Midgar to join SOLDIER when he was 16 I think... Zack was also seen as a major potential 'great', so they poured as much Mako on him as they did on Cloud. You see Zack's parent's i that town of the ruined reactor, they ask you If you've seen their son or not, I think if you go back during disc 3, something happens... but I'm not 100% sure. It's really cold here & I'm tired, so forgive me... I'll remember later. Anyway, there's a bunch of secrets about them later in the game... Taking on real SOLDIERS after escaping Junon is even harder. Well I'll have more later.
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