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    Quote Originally Posted by DaremihC
    After that, I wanted to see how much damage Sephy did to Cloud so I waited (It was around 6000+) but I forgot that Cloud had the 'Counter Attack' materia on and he countered (A hit of around 630) and Sephy died!!! From a whimpy counter!!!!! I was so dissapointed... I wanted to Omnislash him...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X
    This happened to me once too. I was also curious as to how strong the "real" Sephiroth was. I forgot about the Counterattack materia and I did something like 1473 to him. After how long it took to beat Safer, I kinda thought this would turn out a much better duel. I also went in once without gaining the Omnislash, I kinda thought that since it was the end of the game, they'd give it anyway so I let my limit gauge fill. I ended killing him with Meteorain, which was all right, but it's nothing to the dynamic end brought forth by the Omnislash.
    What?

    The battle against Final Sephiroth occurs under certain guidelines. The most significant of these, of course, is that you cannot lose. While Cloud's ATB gauge rises, so does his Limit Gauge. The Limit Gauge will fill and Cloud will have opportunity to unleash Omnislash. Mercen-X, please reconsider your statements in the future, as many impressionable viewers may interpret them as fact. You CANNOT use Meteorain on Final Sephiroth. Even if you never acquired Omnislash, it is the only option available.

    If you wait for a period of time, hesitating (or Defending or Row Changing) rather than using the Omnislash, Sephiroth will attack first. This attack will hurt quite a bit, but will not kill Cloud. Ever. Cloud will immediately counterattack, regardless of any materia he may have had. This counterattack will defeat Sephiroth, no matter how much or how little damage it inflicts.

    DaremihC, there are two brief points I'd like to clarify. The counterattack was not the result of Counterattack materia. Cloud counters Sephiroth's attack, no matter what. As a matter of fact, it should be argued that Cloud has no materia at all during the fight. This is clear from certain facts. An obvious one (unless you're playing a no materia game, in which case the question is obviously irrelevant) is that all magic, summons, and other commands are gone. Further, if your HP, for example, was artificially augmented thorugh HP Plus materia, you'll notice in this fight that it has returned to its natural levels. Second, the reason the counterattack did so little was likely because you were using the Ultima Weapon. Since it powers up (or down) based on HP, Sephiroth's critical hit prior to the counter would have rendered your attack disappointingly weak. Should you use Omnislash (obviously before Seph attacks), you will see the expected big numbers.

    If you're really interested in learning any of Sephiroth's hard statistics, you can view his status during the Kalm flashback. His HP, at the very least, doesn't apply to this final form. Since this is not actually a physical battle, but insead shows Cloud's will overcoming the influence of Seph, that stands to reason.
    Last edited by Masamune·1600; 04-22-2005 at 10:28 PM.

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