shockwave pulsar is amazing..it can do daamage with 5 digits!!!!!!!!!..anyway Destai ..i agree with u well thats what i was gonna say ..greiver is also Squalls like..erm influence thing.kinda like a thing hes into. like hhow people are into...dolphins and stuff ok crappy example ..but i remember when he was passioately explaining it to rinoa..saying how they were brave and powerful..^_^..i cat remember any part of hte game where it refers to ultima summuning griever from Sqaulls mind...hmm...