Aerith didn't love Cloud because of Zack

[TheAbominatrix]

First of all, I'm a her. Second of all, I dont just sit and troll this thread to the exclusion of all else. Get a grip on yourself.

Want a quote? I have four.

Tifa "So! You're really leaving!?" "You're just going to walk right out ignoring your childhood friend!?"

Sector 7 NPC "Tifa's childhood friend. That's a good one!"

Johnny "You're Tifa's childhood friend, and you brought a girlfriend to a place like this!?" "What kind of guy are you!!"

Barret "Oh, and uh, Tifa... I don't like askin' this but......" "Is he really your childhood friend? And not Sephiroth's shadow?"
(She looks at Cloud)
Tifa "Huh!? Well... that is......" (She shakes her head)
Tifa "No, I'm sure of it!"

[Snake Eyes]

I never said they were that close. I said something like that wouldnt destroy a friendship or negate one. If that isnt your point, why use that quote?

Not the right context of the term "that close" Abominatrix.

The context of what I'm using corresponds to what you've recently said:

Saying that, because Tifa didnt know Cloud felt he blamed himself, that they werent close is ridiculous.---Abominatrix

You claim that those ideas are ridiculous, while not providing sufficient proof of what you said other than your personal experience...


The usage of that quote is that it implies multiple possibilities such as Cloud and Tifa not trying to get to know each other because of what Cloud felt right after the incident.

[TheAbominatrix]

I never said they were close or not close. I said, using that as the reason is ridiculous. Such a thing has little to do with how close people are.

[battousai9439]

Saying that, because Tifa didnt know Cloud felt he blamed himself, that they werent close is ridiculous

You just contradicted that with...

I never said they were close or not close

[TheAbominatrix]

And I just explained what I meant by that.

I am NOT saying they were that close. I am NOT saying that werent that close. I DID say that using guilt as a way to say they werent that close is ridiculous. Is that so hard to understand?

[battousai9439]

So what's your point, let's get right down to it

[TheAbominatrix]

I've already told you my stance on the issue. You're the one trying to prove your point in this thread. I already proved all mine.

[battousai9439]

No, you haven't proven anything

[TheAbominatrix]

Seeing as I provided plenty of quotes to prove that point, yes I do believe they were friends. The game states that they were friends. I'm not saying they were very very close, because I have no evidence of that. I'm sure kishi knows, since he's practically the FF expert, but he'll have to prove it, not me.

Please feel free to list any things I've stated but not backed up.

[battousai9439]

And i'll give some counter-evidence...


1. Cloud was excluded from Tifa's group of friends.
2. Cloud was in Tifa's house only once -on the day Tifa's mother died.
3. Tifa said that she didn't know Cloud very well even though they lived next door to one another.
4. Cloud didn't tell Tifa about what happened at the bridge.

[Snake Eyes]

Okie we're going off on a tangent here let's straignten it up:

I am NOT saying they were that close. I am NOT saying that werent that close. I DID say that using guilt as a way to say they werent that close is ridiculous.

That is why I said this Abominatrix:

Not the point, the underlying theme of that post is to tell you exactly what happened when Tifa was in a coma. ----Snake Eyes

The context of the term "that close" corresponds what you said when you compare the situation to your Boyfriend and Bestfriend:

What you said is base on personal experience. I can easily say the exact same opposite of it. What I'm telling you guys though, is that there's no indication that they were "that" close as you guys like to put it. If there was then, I'll hapilly comply. However, I haven't seen anything yet that would change my perspective...----Snake Eyes

I made generalization in that statement, but I didn't mean you exactly. I'm just telling you the main point when I made those statements..

[TheAbominatrix]

1. Yes he was. I'm excluded from one of my best friend's groups of friends. Because they dont like me. Doesnt make her any less my friend.
2. And? I've never been in the house of a guy I've known for years. His parents are strict. He's still my friend. Tifa's dad seemed pretty angry at Cloud for what happened at the mountain, so he could have forbade Cloud to come in there. Or maybe Cloud was just too scared to.
3. Yep. That doesnt mean they didnt get to know eachother late. And again, I'm not saying they're super-best friends. They were friends, as the game states.
4. This could be for a number of reasons. Maybe he didnt want her to talk hm out of it.
5. And? He didnt tell her everything that happened at any point. He was ashamed about a lot of things. Cloud isnt a very open person.

And again, the game states that they were friends. It's a rather important detail to the game.

edit: I used my boyfriend and my best friend as examples. I could have used one for both of the examples, I just switched it up. As for the rest of that, I still dont get what you mean by it, but whatever.

[Snake Eyes]

I used my boyfriend and my best friend as examples. I could have used one for both of the examples,I just switched it up. As for the rest of that, I still dont get what you mean by it, but whatever.

Long story short, I was pointing out the fact that what you said has nothing to with what I claim. I'm addressing how deep their friendship are, not questioning its existance...

[TheAbominatrix]

Oooh okay. Im sorry, I got rather confused. Thanks for clearing that up, I can be rather airheaded sometimes.

[Plasma]

Let me say first, I don't really think "I want to meet you," was meant to be sexual in any way. I do support Cloud and Aeris, but I think in context, "I'm searching for you, I want to meet you," means she wanted to get to know him better. If they had wanted Aeris to say "I want to be your girlfriend," or whatever, I think it would have been easy to simply put that.
Secondly, I am 14, but let's not jump to any conclusions about my maturity level. All teenagers are not sexually obsessed perverts.

I don't think of Cloud and Tifa's "love" (the theory) as being more spiritual that the "love" of Cloud and Aeris. The beauty for their love is that it crosses the boundaries of death, that Cloud can continue to love her even after she has died. Regardless of what you may think or have heard, revenge over Aeris's death was one of the main driving forces in Cloud's fight against Sephiroth. I'm interested in the conflict between Cloud and Sephiroth in Advent Children, because (in my opinion) Cloud had fought and finally avenged Aeris, and to see Sephiroth alive once more would profoundly affect Cloud.

She says that she didn't know him that well prior to the day Cloud followed her to Mt. Nibel. After she came out of that coma, they were dear friends right up until they were teenagers and Cloud left town to try to join SOLDIER. It's pretty absurd to say that they were just getting to know one another in the game's present setting.

How is it that if Cloud and Tifa were such dear friends, that Cloud was only ever in her room once? When he asked her to the well, why was he so suprised that she actually showed up? Why would her watch her from her window rather than actually being present with her? She herself says that they weren't close, yet they were "dear friends?"

Tifa "So! You're really leaving!?" "You're just going to walk right out ignoring your childhood friend!?"

When Tifa says this, it is before the lifestream, and before she finds out the truth. Cloud isn't the only one who uncovers his past. Tifa says that she always thought that they were close, but that she never even remembered him being up to her room. The one time Cloud did come, Tifa was so preoccupied with her mother's recent death that she was oblivious to it.

Of course Barret would have thought they were childhood friends. Tifa, after having found Cloud at the train station, would have explained her imagined relation with Cloud to Barret when Cloud joined AVALANCHE. Barret had no way of knowing whether they were really childhood friends, he had only Tifa's word to go by, which turned out to be false. That same fact holds true for the Sector Seven NPC.

Johnny knew both Cloud and Tifa in Nibleheim, so it would seem he was perhaps a reliable source, if you excluded the fact that he and his friends made fun of Cloud and were only close to Tifa. If you're going by the childhood friends compatability, Johnny would be a better match for Tifa, considering he still has feelings for her as an adult, and they were good friends when they were young, unlike Cloud. He also calls Aeris Cloud's girlfriend, but lets just gloss over that, considering it goes against your point, riiight?

Lastly (for now), let me say this: gaining a few false memories is completely different from becoming someone else. Zack and Cloud don't act the same. Zack was a Zidane, a Tidus. Cloud, throughout the whole game, before and after the lifestream, has always been a Squall. He didn't act any differently, he simply understood his past, and his relation to ShinRa and Sephiroth.

What is so wrong with Aeris starting to like Cloud for his looks? That's how relationships start, unless you're going by the internet. You see someone you're interested in, and you go from there.

I could very well say that Tifa wanted a hero, and wanted Cloud to be that for her. She was so dependent on wanting him do be her knight in shining armor, that when she thought Cloud hadn't come to Nibleheim she was in considerable distress.

Considering Cloud and Tifa weren't close as children and didn't know each other well, I think it's ludicrous to saw they had a "childhood love."