hey thanks for ethe advice^_^ yeah i always get comments that my male characters are kinda feminene...hmm..i guess ill have to work on that..its one of my earlier sketches and i was looking all over the net earlier on with blurry pics as guides so its kinda out of proportion.....anyway the pencil i used were a mix of HB and H.^_^ thanks^_^ ill try and do more later on...