bad bands

[jrgen]

No, sorry, but it isn't. Art requires deapth, pop music has no deapth. Therefore, pop music cannot be art. Some of today's music IS art, but there isn't alot of it, and very seldom will you hear it on the radio. That doesn't make a band bad, it just means that they aren't artists.

I totally disagree.
Reducing what art is to merely one attribute is just stupid.

[Pure Strife]

I mean band that's fan base comprises almost entirely of teenagers. If I went to an Evanescence concert, I'd all of a sudden feel very, very old. Which is scary considering I'm only 20.

Quite likely. I went to a HIM concert not long ago, and the only person I saw who looked older than 17 was some guy who was taking his daughter to her first concert. And the support band, who were a 30/40 something Brit band called Cathedral who awesomely made up for having to stan around watching HIM

[Shockwave Pulsar]

I totally disagree.
Reducing what art is to merely one attribute is just stupid.

Are you really that qualified to determine that? i've studied music, guitar and bass, for about 4 years and all 4 teachers i've had agrees that not all music is art. It's not right trying to determine what's art or no, not having any bases to do so. Most of today music is not art, that a song "Sounds cool" doesn't make it art, that you like a song doesn't make it art, that you can pick up a guitar stroke a few chords and hypnotize youngster doesn't make you an artist. There's a lot of crap out there, but it in this matter i can most likely assure you that evanescence is not art. Most musicians will agree with me.

IMO

[Dingo Jellybean]

Yeah, I don't go to concerts because I'd feel extremely old at 21. U2 concerts have like, 40-50 year olds...so I don't fit in there either. But eh...I usually don't care about concerts...listening to them live is almost never as good as listening to their CDs.

[escobert]

I agree. Liv sucks except the fact youa re there and seeing the band. I'm sure back in teh day live was much better as they couldn't edit everything as well on CDs so people sounded mostly the same live and on the CD.

[jrgen]

Are you really that qualified to determine that? i've studied music, guitar and bass, for about 4 years and all 4 teachers i've had agrees that not all music is art. It's not right trying to determine what's art or no, not having any bases to do so. Most of today music is not art, that a song "Sounds cool" doesn't make it art, that you like a song doesn't make it art, that you can pick up a guitar stroke a few chords and hypnotize youngster doesn't make you an artist. There's a lot of crap out there, but it in this matter i can most likely assure you that evanescence is not art. Most musicians will agree with me.

IMO

I still disagree.
If it is art or not could only possibly be determined by the author's intent of making the music in question.
When the music is made for the purpose of making music and nothing else, it might not be art.
But I think the composer always to a certain degree wants his/her/it's work to be good.

If I collect lots of horse <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>*, put it on a red vacuum cleaner and take pictures of it,
you will most likely think the pictures suck, but they are nevertheless art.

*The stuff that comes out of your ass. Damn censorship.

[§håd0w]

If it is art or not could only possibly be determined by the author's intent of making the music in question.
When the music is made for the purpose of making music and nothing else, it might not be art.
But I think the composer always to a certain degree wants his/her/it's work to be good.

Wrong, a lot of musicians do what they do for the money and fame. Nothing else. Take Good Charlotte for example, to them it's about the money and glamour. That was never was punk was about. Punk bands never made it big, because they always did stuff for little or no money at all. So not all music is art; it's a means of fulfilling greed.

[jrgen]

But don't you think Good Charlotte atleast would prefer their music to sound good instead of suck?
I think the desire to perform well always is there to a certain degree.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

So if a person who's never played an instrument tries to compose a song, using senseless chords, if using any chords at all it would be art because he had a desire for it to sound good or to be art?

[nik0tine]

But don't you think Good Charlotte atleast would prefer their music to sound good instead of suck?
I think the desire to perform well always is there to a certain degree.

Yes but that doesn't change the fact that they don't put any effort into making it sound good.

Although I love punk rock, playing the same note over and over is NOT art.

If I collect lots of horse *, put it on a red vacuum cleaner and take pictures of it,
you will most likely think the pictures suck, but they are nevertheless art.

If the creator can find some sort of deapth behind doing that than yes it is art. Just not good art. When a little kid draws a picture of his or her family, that is art. It jsut is really bad art. However, when some teenager draws an anime picture because they like anime, it is more than likely not going to be art. It's the same with music. Ive composed some short things that I consider to be art. Just, really really BAD art. However, writing shallow pop songs is not art.

[jrgen]

Who is supposed to budge what is art and what is not then?
Those who already are artists of course judge it by their standards of what music(or depth) is supposed to be.
That would totally remove originality from the picture.

[Captain Maxx Power]

You want a bad, overratted band? Let's talk HIM...my personal most hated band ever. Period. Everything about them rubs me the wrong way. Their style of music, the fact that way too many people like them. However, there is one overwhelming factor that cheeses me off...ville. This weedy, talentless, chain-smoking....so and so that every chick wants to bed. Have I missed the point, or since when did women lose all taste? My word do I hate them so.

[edczxcvbnm]

You people want a bad band...the WORST band...EVER!

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[Shadowdust]

Honestly, I hate just about everything that calls itself Punk. But one man's trash is another man's treasure. I figure there aren't too many people who enjoy what I listen to either. *shrugs* To each his own I guess.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

How about we try this....Music is freaking music. There are a lot of things out there that i'm not a fan of. at all. this tends to include a lot of pop, and a lot of country. but that's my personal taste. in their own genre, it's music, and it's brilliant. it's just brilliant by a different set of rules. The only thing that I CANNOT stand is someone who shamelessly tries to act one way, or proclaim a mindset or culture or genre, and fits in no way with that genre at all. this includes the entire notion of pop punk. It's not pop PUNK. it might be pop rock, it might be something else entirely. But good Charlotte and Blink need to stop trying to play like they are punk. they aren't. respect yourself and start your own movement instead of trying to piggyback on DK and johny ramones legacy, ya know? it's a matter of pride. if your musics good, it doesn't need genre classification. this means stop putting patch clad, leather and denim wearing three foot mohawked dudes in your video. that's punk. you want your movement? Dickies, tight baby pink shirt and a trucker hat with some hot topic saying on it. Thats their movement (as of yet unnamed.) if it's not political (this is why i didn't mention green day. Punk is a movement of politics AND music. Greenday is all about the subculture, politics, and social commentary. definitively punks roots, even if the music may be a bit more melodic.)

Anyway,m what i'm saying is, like what you like, hate what you hate, but shut your freaking hole. unless somebodies got a boombox taped to your ear, what's your problem? change the radio station, don't buy the CD, the end. (btw, the pop punk rant was not on pop punk alone, that's just the example. new country calling itself country when all it is is alterna-60's style southern rock, is ridiculous. Willy Nelson was country. JOHNNY CASH was country. this is rock, sorry. southern flavored, but rock. anyway, it's about respecting your music enough to let it be what it is without lumping it in.




as a LAST note.... Yes. Avril Lavigne said she was punk. Yes, this is a Horrid, Horrid thing to try to say. and yes, she did dress punk. look at her. she was covered in patchs, anarchy symbols, and the whole "screwed up misplaced suit pieces" thing that suddenly became trendy. she was trying, and even referenced her music as punk-themed, even though she had no idea who some of the fore-fathers of the punk movement are. Shame on Avril. She does have some decent teeny-bopper style pop though. way to angst, shame on you for demoting the punk culture.


have a nice day!