welll. just because it is popular dosn't mean its good...
look at the uk...i mean the WOMBLES have got a number one and i won't even get started on cliff richard...
plus don't pick on rye bout her age. everyone has an opinion. i agree with her, i'm a 19 year old girl.
Trust No one
Not all rap songs are just pure base. 2Pac's I Ain't Mad at Cha is primarily piano based, along with Notorious Thugs. Destiny Child's Survivor is violin based as well.Originally Posted by SomethingBig
The lead singer of every band has very little experience with an instrument.
But I also want to note, that while rapping is really talking, rock's lead singers are not that much better than rappers. None of them could sing a simple verse from R.Kelly's I Believe I can Fly. In fact, seldom do any lead singer can sing a proper note. They all scream or speak as well. I've yet to hear any lead singer actually sing to be quite honest.
And just because someone can sing, doesn't make the music good. Christina Aguilera can sing multiple octaves, but her music is never really that good. You look at an artist like Vanessa Carlton, who can't really belt it out, but makes great music due to her song writing and piano playing.
Also, because someone plays a guitar, doesn't really make them that talented. Electric guitars are much easier to play than acoustic guitars, and drums are not exactly instruments that require an amazing amount of talent. You look at some of the songs from Jay-Z's Black album, a lot of them had actual bands playing in them. You look at Bone Thugs n' Harmony's songs, a lot of them(almost 75%) had actual bands playing in them, some on the piano. It's amazing how people can say rap is so talentless, while most of the beats created are of actual instruments and not just computer generated.
Drums take an amazing amount of talent to play (if you want to play them well). Listen to some early stuff from The Who. No one but Keith Moon could have played that stuff.
How does it take more talent to play acoustic guitar than it takes to play electric guitar? Both instruments are limited to certain sounds that they can produce. And both instruments are limited in terms of what company of other instruments they can be played with.
I agree that singing and lyrics come after music, but adding a piano to a song doesn't redeem it from being garbage.
I agree that rappers are talented at speaking quickly, but they aren't poets.
Thunday Man: Please stick to the topic, and don't use demographics when arguing with other members. Rye has proved herself to be an above competent poster and her age should not be a factor within the discussion. Consider this a warning.
That's true, Dingo. I love Christina's voice, but her songs aren't always that good. Her "Stripped" CD is nice, I have to admit. She may not have good songs, but they at least show off her range.
And I don't know what your problem is Thunday Man. Yeah, I'm 14, but at least I know to say "I" and not "i" when I'm talking.
To everyone who says all rappers just rap about drugs "bitches" and violence, here is a song called I can by NaS:
Be, B-Boys and girls, listen up
You can be anything in the world, in God we trust
An architect, doctor, maybe an actress
But nothing comes easy it takes much practice
Like, I met a woman who's becoming a star
She was very beautiful, leaving people in awe
Singing songs, Lina Horn, but the younger version
Hung with the wrong person
Got her strung on that
Heroin, cocaine, sniffin up drugs all in her nose...
Coulda died, so young, now looks ugly and old
No fun cause now when she reaches for hugs people hold they breath
Cause she smells of corrosion and death
Watch the company you keep and the crowd you bring
Cause they came to do drugs and you came to sing
So if you gonna be the best, I'ma tell you how,
Put your hands in the air, and take a vow
Be, B-Boys and girls, listen again
This is for grown looking girls who's only ten
The ones who watch videos and do what they see
As cute as can be, up in the club with fake ID
Careful, 'fore you meet a man with HIV
You can host the TV like Oprah Winfrey
Whatever you decide, be careful, some men be
Rapists, so act your age, don't pretend to be
Older than you are, give yourself time to grow
You thinking he can give you wealth, but so
Young boys, you can use a lot of help, you know
You thinkin life's all about smokin weed and ice
You don't wanna be my age and can't read and write
Begging different women for a place to sleep at night
Smart boys turn to men and do whatever they wish
If you believe you can achieve, then say it like this
Be, be, 'fore we came to this country
We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys
There was empires in Africa called Kush
Timbuktu, where every race came to get books
To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans
Asian Arabs and gave them gold when
Gold was converted to money it all changed
Money then became empowerment for Europeans
The Persian military invaded
They heard about the gold, the teachings, and everything sacred
Africa was almost robbed naked
Slavery was money, so they began making slave ships
Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went
He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces
Shot up they nose to impose what basically
Still goes on today, you see?
If the truth is told, the youth can grow
Then learn to survive until they gain control
Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes
Read more learn more, change the globe
Ghetto children, do your thing
Hold your head up, little man, you're a king
Young Princess when you get your wedding ring
Your man is saying "She's my queen"
Save the music y'all, save the music y'all
Save the music y'all, save the music y'all
Save the music
as you can see this song by a well known ghetto rapper is tellign kids that they can do whatever they wish when they grown up and to not fall to the life of the streets and drugs.
And here is another song Nas did on his new album. This song features his father who is a blues player the song is called Bidging The Gap
[Intro: Olu Dara singing]
See I come from Mississippi
I was young and runnin' wild
Ended up in New York City, where I had my first child
I named the boy Nasir, all the boys call him Nas
I told him as a youngster, he'll be the greatest man alive
[Verse 1: Nas]
Let's go!... Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey --
Tribrary of these rap skits, styles I mastered
Many brothers snatched it up and tried to match it
But I'm still number one, everyday real
Speak what I want, I don't care what y'all feel
'Cause I'm my own master, my Pop told me be your own boss
Keep integrity at every cost, and his home was Natchez Mississippi
Did it like Miles and Dizzy, now we gettin' busy
Bridging The Gap from the blues, to jazz, to rap
The history of music on this track
Born in the game, discovered my father's music
Like Prince searchin' through boxes of Purple Rain
But my Minneapolis was The Bridge, home of the Superkids
Some are well-known, some doin' bids
I mighta ended up on the wrong side of the tracks
If Pops wouldn't've pulled me back an said yo
[Olu Dara singing]
Greatest man alive (Nas: Yeah, turn it up!)
Gre-Gre-Gre-Gre-Greatest man alive!
[Verse 2: Nas]
The blues came from gospel, gospel from blues
Slaves are harmonizin' them ah's and ooh's
Old school, new school, know school rules
All these years I been voicin' my blues
I'm a artist from the start, Hip-Hop guided my heart
Graffiti on the wall, coulda ended in Spoffard, juvenile delinquent
But Pops gave me the right type'a tools to think with
Books to read, like X and stuff
'Cause the schools said the kids had dyslexia
In art class I was a compulsive sketcher of
Teachers in my homeroom, I drew pix to mess them up
'Cause none'a them would like my style
Read more books than the curriculum profile
Said, "Mr. Jones please come get your child
'Cause he's writin' mad poems and his verses are wild"
[Olu Dara singing]
Greatest man ? The great-greatest man alive
[Verse 3: Nas]
Hey-Hey-Hey -- My Poppa was not a Rollin' Stone
He been around the world blowin' his horn, still he came home
Then he got grown, changed his name to Olu
Come on, tell 'em 'bout the places you gone to
[Olu Dara singing]
I been to Saudi Arabia, Mozambique
Madagascar, Paris, Greece
The Middle Africa is where we lived
Better known as Queenbridge
[Nas]
Nas, Nas you don't stop
Olu Dara in the house, you don't stop
Muddy Waters' Howling Wolf you don't stop
From the Blues to Street Hop you don't stop
Tell 'em Pop
[Outro: Olu Dara singing / Nas adlibbing]
See I come from Mississippi (Let 'em know)
I was young and runnin' wild (Runnin' wild)
Ended up in New York City (Yeah!)
Where I had my first child (That's me)
I named the boy Nasir (Yeah, Daddy!)
All the boys call him Nas (Love ya, boy)
I told him as a youngster
He'll be the greatest man alive (You the greatest, Pop)
Greatest man alive (You the greatest, Pop)
Gre-Gre-Gre-Gre-Greatest man alive!
Rest In Peace Ray Charles
As you can see not all rap is about drugs sex a violence.
Dingo, the bands you mentioned don't count, because even people who listen to rock music don't like those bands.
That was a joke. I don't like rap because it just doesn't appeal to me, usually. If you want to argue about it, I can tell you the flaws I find within it, but ultimately that won't change your view on it, so why bother? If you hate rap, fine. If you hate rock, fine. If you hate me, fine. This is America. We're free to hate whatever we want. Even if it's something someone else likes.
Signature by rubah. I think.
There is such a thing as good rap; I happen to actually like Eminem when most of the stuff I listen ot is punk and heavy metal, but most rap is absolute crap.
I listen to all sorts, though as I've already mentioned, punk and heavy metal make up the bulk of my listenings, such as soul, r&b (not that R. Kelly <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>e, more the Aretha Franklin and Al Green kinda stuff), blues, etc. In short, I listen to what I call good music; this of course is a subjective view, but in general, it's something most people can agree to. A melody, meaningful lyrics, good singing... most rap is a recycled beat with some guy talking quickly over it, about tits and ass. Then you get people like Eminem, who talk about not falling into the "gangsta rap" lifestyle (that's how I interpret his lyrics; it's more like "Hey, look at me. I'm a total <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>-up. Don't end up like me.")
When it comes down to it, there's bad rap and good rap, just like in every other musical genre. If we didn't bitch about it, what would we bitch about? If you don't like people bitching about your "favourite musical genre," well, tough <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>. People will always bitch about it. That's human nature. Personally, I couldn't care less as long as you don't subject me to listen to it. And that is the key point; if you dont' like it, don't listen to it.
YOU. HAVE. A. CHOICE. Quit whining about it and just don't listen to it.
And here's where I'll stay / For ten years and a day
We're on a quest to find hidden treasure / And mystery on The Wild Sea
If only the actual 'artists' had anything to do with putting the piano and violins in their <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>ty songs. Oh wait, 2pac's dead, he can't be bad. He's the best ever!
Hi, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Queen, <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>ing Queen, The Darkness since they're recent, and Aerosmith. Yah man, rock singers. Total crap.
So, rock singers can't sing.(false) But even if they did it wouldn't make them good? (also false) So, since R Kelly can sing and rape 17 year olds, that doesn't make him any better at what he does, too? Not that R Kelly is rap at all, or that rap and R&B are the same things at all.
So, since rock bands have electric guitars and drums and bass they suck. But since Jay Z and "Bones", whoever the hell they are, use bands,that makes them good? Sure thing cheif!
I persoanlly don't like rap. I don't care if others like it or not, I just won't listen to it.
Listen to the Me First and the Gimme Gimmes cover of the song, and they actually make it good.
And here's where I'll stay / For ten years and a day
We're on a quest to find hidden treasure / And mystery on The Wild Sea
Man, Kane. you were doing good until you mentioned The Darkness.
p.s. QUEEN
Personally I really don't like Rap. I've given it a chance and some of it's alright. I like Rock because for one I grew up listening to it and I like it. You and all your genres of Rap and R & B can't even compare to the greatness of the original Black Sabbath. Grunge Rock sounds a hell of a lot better than Rap too, and let's not forget Alternative Rock. That's some of what I like. If you don't like it, I really don't give a shit.
My ass has more talent than 95% of all rapers.
Isn't it hypocritical to bitch about people hating rap and then turn around and talk about how crappy rock is?
Do I like rap? Hell no. Well actually I adore Outkast, and Beastie Boys, but most people dont count the Beasties as rap. I like a few Emeniem songs, but they get tiresome.
And I read somewhere back about punk rock being whiney and singing about cutting yourself and all that crap; that's radio 'punk' as far as I know. I've never heard an actual punk song like that (try listening to The Misfits, Lower Class Brats, Narcoleptic Youth, Naked Aggression, etc).
But of course, most folks generalize any genre they dont like and talk about the sheer diversity of their own, so I wont get into that.
Rap isn't my favorite genre, alternative is. I never said anyone had to like rap, like the reply below to Abominatrix's statement, it's ironic how people put these false assumptions on rap and how easy it is to come up with music and how repetitve it is...yet what mainstream music isn't? People adore their "bands" so much that they think everything else sucks.
If that were true, you'd have a job making millions instead of being a regular Final Fantasy board member.
If that was a shot at me, you didn't read my replies in my other threads. I don't have anything against rock, but the fact that most rap haters are rock fans, I might as well point out the things that make rock "so bad."
I try to be diverse in my music, and most of my music consists of rock/alternative. All these haters who keep claiming rap is some kind of crap that grew from the asses of black folks are idiotic and I'm going to defend rap against these stupid assumptions. I don't care if people hate rap, but don't go around making these false assumptions about rap when these same allegations are true of rock music.
Some people don't realize that "D-12" is actually a band, a lot of rappers have bands, you just never hear about them. They claim rappers have no musical talent, but rock music isn't much different from rap. Rappers_DO_HAVE BANDS. It's just that a band doesn't have to have a guitar player, drummer, and a DJ. Has anyone seen Joss Stone's "band?" She's an R&B singer, but she has a keyboard man, guitar players, etc. So please, some of you people really need to do your research before you bash on rap.
Lastly(and least), Kane...just keep your yap shut. Seriously, I can never take you seriously because you don't even understand what I say. It's like you find the time to somehow change the intent of my words, so why should I bother replying to you? Shouldn't you be used as a stepstool to help people in the library reach for books?
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