To all you rap haters

[Calliope]

I don't normally listen to rap, or R&B, although given the right mood I would quite happily listen to Jurassic 5, Crazysexycoolera TLC, and a few others.

Most of my qualms with rap concern the packaging, or rather the glorification of scantily clad girls dripping off of a rapstar merely because he has a lot of bling, and despite their apparent 'womanising' ways.

[TheAbominatrix]

All I see is you saying mostly the same thing about rock. Things about how no rock singer could do what R. Kelly does, all that crap. You're just as bad as anyone whining about rap. It's hypocritical, you can claim whatever reasons you want for it.

And cute about that Kane comment. To think I used to respect you. *shrugs and washes her hands of this nonsense*

[Rusty]

I personally love Rap, I appreciate the music, I respect artists like Eminem, 2pac and Outkast. If people don't like Rap then thats their choice, it doesn't bother me. I don't like it when people bash other peoples choice in music though just because it isn't their own.

[Dingo Jellybean]

All I see is you saying mostly the same thing about rock. Things about how no rock singer could do what R. Kelly does, all that crap. You're just as bad as anyone whining about rap. It's hypocritical, you can claim whatever reasons you want for it.

And cute about that Kane comment. To think I used to respect you. *shrugs and washes her hands of this nonsense*

It's like I said, you don't even read what I reply in other threads. It's all that you see here, doesn't mean it completely represents my views. I even stated that not all rock is bad, it's my main form of music...but what I said about R.Kelly was out of frustration, but whatever. I guess I'm not allowed to say things out of frustration.

I don't care if you respect me or not, and I barely know you...so I'm surprised you even had an ounce of respect for me. But whatever, I'm not the one turning this into a personal dispute.

I personally love Rap, I appreciate the music, I respect artists like Eminem, 2pac and Outkast. If people don't like Rap then thats their choice, it doesn't bother me. I don't like it when people bash other peoples choice in music though just because it isn't their own.

Thank you. It's what I've been trying to preach all this time. I never had anything against rock music, but when people bash the "flaws" of rap, I'm allowed to bash the "flaws" of rock.

[Skogs]

The Roots (or is it just 'Roots'?) are good, but I can't admit to liking much rap at all. But then again, my favourite genre of music is rock, but the vast majority of modern popular rock bands are pretty crap anyway.

[Del Murder]

Claiming not to be the one to turn things into a personal dispute is usually the best way to further one. Please keep that in mind.

There are only two conteporary artists that I will buy a new album from. One of them is eminem. I agree with Nicky that the rap image isn't for me, but I don't pay much attention to image or what the artists do in their free time. I just listen to the music and base my enjoyment of it on how it sounds. I find eminem to be quite enjoyable, as well as some other artists, but most of them don't make new albums anymore.

[Dingo Jellybean]

For people who don't read my posts(you know who you are), I've summed up nicely what I've said in other threads and in this thread in a neat compact column:

www.geocities.com/dingojellybean2/rants.html

Before you get offended by what I wrote at the end, I advise you folks to _re-read_it_carefully before you decide to bash me, misquote me, or misinterpret me.

[Hawkeye]

i dont like rap because i cant understand half the time. i dont like the style of music its in, and all the... rap-ers (w/e) act like they are all gangbangers (worse of all emenem or whatever) when they are really just posers.
why would i listen to something like that? its the same with country music, as it was cleverly stated in a webiste i frequently visit to, "why the hell would i want to listen to someone who pretends to be a f***ing cowboy and live in a $8million dollar mansion?"

as my biology teacher sees rap,'put the c before the r'

[nik0tine]

And I read somewhere back about punk rock being whiney and singing about cutting yourself and all that crap; that's radio 'punk' as far as I know. I've never heard an actual punk song like that (try listening to The Misfits, Lower Class Brats, Narcoleptic Youth, Naked Aggression, etc).

Thank you.

Anyways, there is bad music in every genre, and good music in every genre. In rock, there is alot of good music, and less (albeit alot) bad music. It seems that in rap, there is more bad music than good music. I respect Eminem, but most of the other main stream artists are just horrible. I am however, seperating R&B from rap, like it should be. Most of today's mainstream R&B sucks, like Usher. However, some older R&B like Tony Braxton is some pretty nice stuff even though I don't really listen to it.

[UltimateSpamGrover]

Rap is alright, but Enimem... no

[Casey]

Ya know I even used to listen to Eminem, but I dont like his music now. Eminem forgot to put the F in front of his name. What I mostly listen to these days is: Mos Def, Talib Kweli, The Roots, etc. I dont like that gangsta rap <img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif><img src=http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif>, some of the old school gangsta rap is ok (I know thats kind of contradicting)... If you dont like this form of music like others have said, then dont listen to it.

[Leeza]

Lastly(and least), Kane...just keep your yap shut. Seriously, I can never take you seriously because you don't even understand what I say. It's like you find the time to somehow change the intent of my words, so why should I bother replying to you? Shouldn't you be used as a stepstool to help people in the library reach for books?

This was totally uncalled for, very rude and does nothing to help you with any point that you're trying to make. Keep personal attacks out of your debates.

EDIT: I don't like rap because the sound of it is very annoying and that's a very legitimate enough reason for me.

[Meat Puppet]

Everyone around me is so hardcore rap, I can't go too far speaking my views on it without getting "blasted on", as they call it. Most of them I can't understand because they talk like their favourite bling-toting heroes. And what's even funnier is they're all tiny white farmboys.

Which... is funny for me.

[Cz]

Might I start by saying that this is a very brave thread to make, even if it did get a little personal eventually. This was always going to turn in to a controversial issue, but at least there's some good debate mixed in there as well.

Now then, my CD collection is almost exclusively rock, or variants of rock. There might be a couple of movie soundtracks thrown in there, but I can certainly guarentee that there's no rap in there. There's not even anything close to rap, and that's the way I intend to keep it.

Nevertheless, I don't hate rap, or even dislike rap. As a matter of fact, I will actively listen to rap on the radio, sometimes (shock horror) ahead of rock music! The reason for this is very simple, rap is incredibly catchy. The beats, computer-generated and repetitive though they may be, stick in my mind. Certain lyrics amuse me. When it comes down to it, I'd rather listen to something mindless and catchy than something that obviously requires a lot of talent, but doesn't interest me. If talent were what I was looking for in my music, I'd do nothing but listen to Classic FM. In fact, this isn't the case, and I'll find myself listening to rap music from time to time.

That said, I'd never buy a rap artist's album, since it just doesn't have the lasting appeal to make me buy it. That sums up rap pretty well, in my view. It's good as background music, catchy to listen to, but simply not with enough substance to maintain lasting appeal. Does this make it bad music? Of course not. Like any other form of entertainment, it simply can't appeal to everyone, and cannot compete with other genres for my attention. For millions of other people, the situation is different, and rap music is their favoured genre. This alone suggests that rap music has to be doing something right, or else nobody would like it at all.

Of course, there's rap that I consider to be bad, and that I wouldn't listen to. But then the same is true of any genre. I'll take good rap over bad rock any day, and I'll gladly skip over K-DST and Radio X while playing GTA: San Andreas to listen to some of the catchy hip-hop tunes on Radio Los Santos. I simply don't like the rock/alternative music of the period, and therefore don't listen to it. I may like the genre as a whole, but none of the songs included are good examples of it, so I just don't listen. To summarise, I'm not a rap fan, but I listen to certain rap music over rock, because I consider neither genre to be completely good or bad.

If you hate rap, that's fine by me, whatever your reasons. But it seems to me that 'hating' a genre for the commonly cited reasons is a bit petty. You're free to listen to whatever you like, and it isn't like rap is being forced upon you. It may be all over the mainstream radio, yes, but that doesn't mean it can't be avoided. Simply don't touch those radio stations. Focus on what you like, instead of what you don't. It's no use blaming the artist for making bad music, when all you have to do is press a button to make it go away.

[Meat Puppet]

Playback has better rap than Radio Los Santos.