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    Quote Originally Posted by lord shishio
    I may have got off to a bad start back in page 7, but I've got to defend my country, although America really does'nt have that great a system of government.
    Why must you defend your country? You do not seem to agree with it, so why must you defend it?

    Do not accept what happens simply because you were born there. It is not the best country in the world simply by virtue of your birth. Even if you agree, you must never just agree arbitrarily. You must doubt, question, and if it turns out that you disagree, then you must dissent.

    People like Bush being elected is what happens when people do not dissent. When they do not question authority. They assume that since the president says it, that it is true. The only truths are what you find for yourself, and even those are dubious. Even so, if you do not dissent, you allow people to take over, and you are to blame. Many people in the US hated both Bush and Kerry, but due to their apathy, third parties have no chance. Many people in the US dislike what is going on in the government, but the status quo says, "Be content, for you are alive. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain," and it persists.

    Only when there is dissention, can there be change. Only when there is change can people move forward. So long as people attempt to live in the past, and remain unchanged, there will be no progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jebus
    Why must you defend your country? You do not seem to agree with it, so why must you defend it?

    Do not accept what happens simply because you were born there. It is not the best country in the world simply by virtue of your birth. Even if you agree, you must never just agree arbitrarily. You must doubt, question, and if it turns out that you disagree, then you must dissent.

    People like Bush being elected is what happens when people do not dissent. When they do not question authority. They assume that since the president says it, that it is true. The only truths are what you find for yourself, and even those are dubious. Even so, if you do not dissent, you allow people to take over, and you are to blame. Many people in the US hated both Bush and Kerry, but due to their apathy, third parties have no chance. Many people in the US dislike what is going on in the government, but the status quo says, "Be content, for you are alive. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain," and it persists.

    Only when there is dissention, can there be change. Only when there is change can people move forward. So long as people attempt to live in the past, and remain unchanged, there will be no progress.
    If the country was attacked.Trust me al the men would rush to arms mainly because they aren't thinking about protecting the country.They are thinking aobut protecting there family plain and simple/...

    BUSH SUCKS!But hey you are right on the money.Plus there were tons of people who didn't like bush.But were shut out into some kind of silence when the rise of conservatism took place.and French Fries became Freedom Fries.dun dun dun!!!!

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    I meant defend, as in defend in an argument. If you disagree with what your government does, then why argue for it.
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    Hey, our government may not be great, but it is'nt horrible!! And to be honest, I was behind Bush the whole time. I don't think I could stand looking at kerry every time I pull out a dollar in a few decades down the road.

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    I don't really like to look at Kerry much, it kind of makes me queezy. And like Lord Shishio I backed Bush. Let's face it people, without america and its crappy system, life wouldnt be near as good as we got it now!

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    On the other side, there's Russia, who just got out of Communism not 15 years ago, why don't you talk about them instead of our government?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordblazer
    and French Fries became Freedom Fries.dun dun dun!!!!
    I don't know about you, but I haven't heard french fries called that by anyone in almost two years. The only time I hear of it is when people like you drag up old stuff in an attempt to mock people you don't agree with.
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    Jebus, I agree with you about Dissent. a democracy cannot function when two, pretty much equivalent, party's exist to be elected in various puppet-iterations into every political office. it's ridiculous. The problem isn't with Dissent though, it's with ACTIVE Dissent. people dissent, but they do it in retarded, tired old ways. I DISSENT AGAINST BUSH! I Dissent against kerry to a lesser degree, so VOTE IN THE LESSER EVIL! it's ridiculous. If i hear "vote for the lesser evil" one more time i'm gonna smurfing snap. YOU'RE ADMITTING YOU'RE VOTING IN EVIL! Find a third party and support it. but oops, you ahve NO PRAYER, because the media keeps hammering the point home to america that we have two and only two candidates.
    But herein lies the problem with democracy as a whole, and the fundementally flawed idea of the super power or empire. If ruled by an Autocracy, PEOPE WILL DISSENT, and have no power to change things. If Ruled by a democracy, a large country will be so filled with highly differing opinions that if any one group is satisfied, the resultant group of citizens will number 99% of the rest of the country. so, the second you have ANY grouping of people larger than a hippy commune growing potatos for the common good, there will be dissent, and vocal, expressive, extreme dissent. We're all pissed about something, but we all want to GRIPE to each other meaninglessly about it instead of supporting a party, or funding a candidate, or writing to a senator. If we're all bitches about it, the state of things will reamin as is. a violent, seething cesspool of inactive couch potato whining assholes with nothing better to do than criticise the people who took the intiative to try and CHANGE things. Say what you want, and agree with them or not, but every politician in this country is doing something to get his views across, and I can guarantee that the majority of the people whining about politicians are not.


    as a final note, through the election of George W. Bush, america as a whole stamped him with it's approval. Each individual did not. But what that fact says is that out of anyone who cared enough about who was going to run the country to vote, the majority believed he was the most viable option to inact their views. the fact that he won by a greater margin that the first time says that we support him MORESO than we did before Iraq/9-11. And it tells me that while his supporters were passionate enough to move and be heard, if his dissenters truely outnumber his supporters than they were apathetic and uncaring, and stayed home from the polls. That fact in itself lends a huge STFU to all of them. If you vote, you accept the system, and you accept the results, so deal with them. If you didn't vote, then you obviously don't care enough about who was going to win to have a valid point now. so deal with it. and if you CAN'T vote, then 90% of what goes on will have little effect on your non-legal-age self, and the majority of the rest of it will undergo a hundred thousand changes by other moron-elects before it matters to you. so deal with it.

    final point summary? Make your view known, but do it without resorting to idiotic name calling, mudslinging, and hype parades. My view is that the American system of govt is the best that can be achieved given the circumstances. Bush, in this system, is the winner, and logically everyone should deal with it til the next election, because griping to the guy next to you is not going to change a thing.

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