The American goverment is the worst in the world!

[theundeadhero]

The point is that it's there now. Noones saying America used to be the worst Government in the world.

[Doors]

You seem to have missed my point entirely. You've given many reasons why you dislike the government, yet you have failed UTTERLY in proving the statement you made for this thread, i.e. that the American government is the best in the world. As amusing as your ranting about how Bush is teh evil, the best you've come to even stating the very topic this thread is supposedly supposed to be about is some vague comments about things you don't like.

I already said I meant admnistration.I got the words mixed up.
And the current American administration is only the worst out of the bads because America is a big county.

[theundeadhero]

So now we've always have been bad? Do explain why you think we were bad before president Bush was elected. All your reasons so far have been about him only.

[Wuggly Blight]

Well refusing to cut down pollution so the rest of the world suffers for your benefit is pretty bad.
Alot of America does not realise WHY people hate America, there is a reason and its not people hate freedom, thats a very lame excuse that makes people cringe and wonder if they have ever left there own country, reason is people see America as being unimaginably earth shatteringly ignorant.
Moraly who is America to tell other nations there government and ideas are bad, and they should follow there's? land of the free, outside is a gray area?
How many times have people posted America is the greatest and best country on earth? (again, ignorance) Newsflash ITS NOT, No country can be the greatest there are some bad ones but can you honestly say one nation has it all perfect and rules em all and the rest stink?

With ignorance comes bush, the largest spinner of international ignorance ever, How can other people take a nation seriously that ELECTS a man so ingorant and stupid he nearly missed self assination by a preztal seriously?

Again this article really sums up alot, I recommend it http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html#Who

[Black Mage]

You're right. Anyone who chokes on food, be it a pretzle or what not is ignorant. Very nice arguement. America truly is the worst governemnt in the world. My eyes have been opened.

Honestly, the man choked on a pretzle, big deal? How does that make him less fit to be the president?

[Doors]

So now we've always have been bad? Do explain why you think we were bad before president Bush was elected. All your reasons so far have been about him only.

I meant the worst out of the other bad administrations of other countries.

[theundeadhero]

Okay, that makes sense. I don't know enough about other countries goverments but I can agree our current Administration isn't the best in the world. Not the worst, but not the best either.

[Endless]

And the current American administration is only the worst out of the bads because America is a big county.

Assuming you meant country, your argument here is... well, how to put it... laughable? ridiculous? childish?
What is a "big" country?
Superficy? Russia is almost twice as large as the US, and honestly, its adminstration is far worse. Canada can be argued to be better atm. China (only 55,000 sq km smaller), anyone? How can you even call it better than the US' administration? Ignorance?
Population? China again.

[edczxcvbnm]

When he said big I think he meant powerful. Military, economy and influence. He also never said the biggest.

[PhoenixAsh]

Being a big country does have an effect if you use an idea along the lines of the formula I mentioned. I know it's not a great, or even particularly practical way of making a judgement, but this is a VERY subjective discussion.

So what ARE the foundations that are so great? It could be said that flexibility is a word that is used with similar enthusiasm as freedom, and possibly with less ambiguity. If America isn't to be judged politically on it's current status, what is it to be based on? As Wuggly Blight (I'm only guessing this is what you're talking about) pointed out, what about the Kyoto agreement etc.?

I know I'm agreeing with the anti-America arguements more, it's just these are the ones that seem to be being voiced more, and seem to have the minority of backing here. I'm not taking sides.

That said, on the subject of the Patriot Act and it not being agreed with, then pretzel aside, Bush WAS reelected.

[Doors]

laughable? ridiculous? childish?

Whatever floats your boat.edczxcvbnm already explained my argument, so I wont say anything about this.

[Teek]

That said, on the subject of the Patriot Act and it not being agreed with, then pretzel aside, Bush WAS reelected.

It's our own little mystery. xD I suppose that all of these foreigners flaunting that America is oh-so ignorant is right when its based on majority vote. The majority of our country really is ignorant as to what makes our country good and bad. Britney Spears, for example, said she "trusts in our president" because it's the right and proper thing to do.

I realized in the course of this that there are fools that aren't prone to reason. No matter how poignant my arguments, they cast them down as "nonsense" needlessly, all of my rationality being discarded as "impractical" ...why bother? I'll just wait for Bush to leave office and idiot foreigners to stop basing our country on the actions of one man before I argue anymore.

[Endless]

Being a big country does have an effect if you use an idea along the lines of the formula I mentioned. I know it's not a great, or even particularly practical way of making a judgement, but this is a VERY subjective discussion.

Again, judging it by its privileges/responsabilities towards the rest of the world comes back to judging the foreign policy. However, the US administration is more than how it treats the rest of the world, it's also about how it works inside the country. In that respect, the US administration in general does a pretty good job.
Also, judging by its power (in other words, its success), is like complaining how the richest guy in the city somehow should have more moral duties than the average guy because he (the rich guy) was successful, and average guy wasn't. From a socialistic/liberal point of view, it's easy to say so (or there wouldn't be socialism), but from a moral point of view, it's borderline. As I said before, it's just easier to blame the USA than get your own act straight to be competetive (read: Europe for example, in particular France and Germany).

Doors: that's not even an argument.

[edczxcvbnm]

About the judging thing...I just really wanted to say this because I think it is kind of funny in quirky way.

"Peter, with great power comes great responsibility."

"UNCLE BEEEEEEEEN!"

[Teek]

Again, judging it by its privileges/responsabilities towards the rest of the world comes back to judging the foreign policy. However, the US administration is more than how it treats the rest of the world, it's also about how it works inside the country. In that respect, the US administration in general does a pretty good job.
Also, judging by its power (in other words, its success), is like complaining how the richest guy in the city somehow should have more moral duties than the average guy because he (the rich guy) was successful, and average guy wasn't. From a socialistic/liberal point of view, it's easy to say so (or there wouldn't be socialism), but from a moral point of view, it's borderline. As I said before, it's just easier to blame the USA than get your own act straight to be competetive (read: Europe for example, in particular France and Germany).

Doors: that's not even an argument.

I agree. It sounds very altruistic and socialist, which is why I figured that Estonia was still a socialistic society. :/.