I'm gonna protest.. the world!

[Phil]

It seems now that people are protesting the American Government, and their own government, the choices made, and the choices just generally made about the current wars. There's so much wrong in the world right now, and as a Christian- heck- as any religion it's hard to cope. I had a debate today about how God would let a War and a Tsunami happen so soon, and kill so many people. There were some major protests in my class as to this discussion. The teacher played "the devil's advocate" as a person who slammed Christianity, and it was pretty heated. It seems nowdays people are protesting their Religion as well as others too. Then there are people protesting all the money going into the tsunami victim's government, when twice that many people die every month in africa. Now we have protests to abortion, the presedent, and our government as well as the war in general. So here's my question. If it was your world-- your supernation, what would you do to change it? I dont really know what I'd do- so many things TO do. Where would you start? Ever since sin enterd the world its been one screwed up place...

[DeBlayde]

A very difficult proposition, if one takes it seriously.

It's far easier to destroy an old system than to create a new one.

If it were my nation, I'd have to ensure it stays a small nation since societal problems occur when societies become too large. I would have every single person treated absolutely the same, good or ill, no matter what, so long as they remain productive in some form or another. The only discriminating factor that should be used in differentiating people is the work they do. Everybody does different amounts of work, at different paces and different kinds, but so long as they work, they shouldn't be treated any different than anybody else. If one person gains more money, they will not be viewed as any better than anybody else. Should they become disabled, then they'll need to find another kind of work. No matter the disability, so long as one can speak or make basic movements, something can be accomplished.

so that's my nation. It'd be small, and it'd be impossible. It's unethical to enforce population controls. and it's unethical to force somebody to do something they don't wanna do. Like taxes. very unethical practice.

[Doors]

If I would tell you what I'd do...

[Casey]

I would try making a international fundraiser to help make schools throughtout the world, better equipment, supplies etc. to these schools. So in particular regions like the Middle East, and North Africa people get proper and best education instead of going to terrorist training camps. Like what John Kennedy once said:Let us think of education as the means of developing our greatest abilities, because in each of us there is a private hope and dream which, fulfilled, can be translated into benefit for everyone and greater strength for our nation.


I would tighten up are borders, put machine robots with heat sensors shooting any moving thing that comes close to are borders. And there will be a 1 mile radius with a warning. (haha, so fantasytistic jk)

Have cameras out in public, like at stop lights. etc. If people are so concerned about their rights, they shouldn't feel any bad because for one they shouldnt feel guilty for having surveillance cameras out in public because : you arnt committing a crime, why feel bad? Then their is a thing about rights, rights, rights, yeah so why not do this to limit the rights of people commiting crimes?

[GhandiOwnsYou]

yup. about eight million holes in that theory. What if someone has an on the job accident and is now a vegetable? pull the plug cuz he can't work anymore?

What if someone decides they don't want to work anymore, or gets pregnant ten times in a row and doesn't work for years? that's gonna piss off a few construction workers pulling 12 hours a day. And assuming that you assign jobs, how do you keep people that get assigned as minimum wage garbage men from throwing a tizzy at the CEO's? then they'd revolt and you'd have trash all over your sparkly streets of gold.
(don't think i'm being harsh, i actually created that same thing for a school project a few years ago and got a new arse-hole torn in me for my efforts.)

Now, my idea would be to take the Ayn Rand Philosophy. Complete, Unfettered Capitalism. With a totally unrestricted capitalist society the best of the best, the crem de la creme rise to the top, therefore you have natural managers being immediately brought up to high positions. With the proper managers in place, they would not perform the "job handouts to friends" system and so you would have no dead wieght in the company to worry about. The people who did not succeed and were poor or homeless have absolutely no one to blame except themselves for not being talented enough to succeed, and they wold end up taking govt. jobs as a service to the people a non competitive nature.

In it's very essence, read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead. It makes an almost insane amount of sense. and phil? Insanely good topic. thank you for having a brain. *give Phil some chocolate*

[Martyr]

Lots of people die all the time. I try not to die. Religion and government has nothing to do with it.

If terrorists want to kill us, then we retaliate, assuming it is our objective in life to continue to live. Some disease, Tsunamies, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanic explosions, snipers, gangs, hate groups - Those are all out of our control.

AIDS killed more people in the past month than that tsunami and it has been doing so for quite a while now. That's really the only thing that I can think of that could possibly be under control if we made an effort to keep it under our control.

The big solution is education and the elimination of dire needs.
But you know that, I know that, we all know that, and we all know that nobody is going to let this happen. We're too selfish and too greedy to actually solve problems.

I'd establish a massive worldwide education system to teach people to make food so hunger is no longer a problem.

Once people can eat, then there's no more worries. The "will work for food" thing is destroyed. All criminals can then be defined as such. I'd let capitalism dominate, let the weak die (Help them die if they'd like), and make the human race flourish.
Oh yeah, life would suck for inferior people, but I don't care about inferior people.

Wouldn't you martyr yourself for the betterment of humanity? If not, then why are you here? Wouldn't you agree that a parasite is best dead than alive?
When a world is as big as ours, and since we have learned from thousands of years of practice that humans have not evolved well enough to live peacefully in a society together, there can be no "self."
If you are broken, if you are weak, if you are dumb, if you simply aren't as "good" as anybody else, then your life is forfeited to the system. That's all there is to it.

[SePhYsBlAdE666]

ya george bush is the hero of america he is killing the terrerists! if u dont like george bush u can move or die with the terrerists to becuz ur prolly helping them! i hate when ppl say he is bad how is he bad he is fighting osama who blew up the trade centers that is good if u ask me

[Ultima Shadow]

There's so much wrong in the world right now

*Agreeds*

Ever since sin enterd the world its been one screwed up place...

The world have always been a pretty screwed up place. It's just getting more or less screwed up at times.

If it was your world-- your supernation, what would you do to change it?

It's far from a simple task and I have no idea what I would be able to do.

*Agreeds with Martyr*

ya george bush is the hero of america he is killing the terrerists! if u dont like george bush u can move or die with the terrerists to becuz ur prolly helping them! i hate when ppl say he is bad how is he bad he is fighting osama who blew up the trade centers that is good if u ask me

*moves or dies with the "terrerists"*

[theundeadhero]

The world have always been a pretty screwed up place. It's just getting more or less screwed up at times.

I just want to throw in there that Phil was talking of the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve lived in. Christian belief says the wrold was perfect before they ate the forbidden fuit. It was after that when sin entered the world that the world became a screwed up place.

[Ultima Shadow]

I just want to throw in there that Phil was talking of the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve lived in. Christian belief says the wrold was perfect before they ate the forbidden fuit. It was after that when sin entered the world that the world became a screwed up place.

Ok, sorry. Didn't get that. Oh, well... I have no idea exactly how the world have been before... it may as well have been perfect... but ever since civilization entered the world it's been a screwed up place.

[Martyr]

I just want to throw in there that Phil was talking of the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve lived in. Christian belief says the wrold was perfect before they ate the forbidden fuit. It was after that when sin entered the world that the world became a screwed up place.

Right, when people had to start working for food.
Eden will return when we have all the food we want.

[Jebus]

Eden will never return. And judging by how people are, never existed to begin with. All the world's problems can be reduced to one factor: greed. The sad part is that greed is an innate sense in human nature. It is not taught. Even the most selfless, thinks-about-others-first goody-goody is greedy in some way, even if s/he tries to repress it, blah blah.

I believe that anything is possible. That even if the probability of something happens is a few dodecadrillion decimal places to one, that it still could happen. However I cannot see this happening with humanity in about a thousand lifetimes. Everybody would have to simultaneously throw down their greed and desire. Everyone being: the CEOs, the politicians, monarchs, and other assorted criminals, as well as normal people.

It just can't happen.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

greed's a broad term i think. the desire for self betterment is probably a better term. people don't actually sit back and think "I want to screw over EVERYONE i can and take all of their things" they just think "I would be so much better off if _________"

this falls right in with the belief in Eden. Eve didn't eat the apple thinking "wow, i've just screwed up everything i possibly could, brought the concepts of sin death and labor into existence and ruined life for every one of our species after me!" she was thinking that she could become better than she was by eating the fruit (as per satans little speech)

we all have this drive and it's about the sharpest double edged sword in existence because if you DON'T use this drive, you die. if you do, you inevitably run over countless people in your pursuit of something better. In plain english, to accomplish a totally altruistic goal, you'd have to kill yourself, because otherwise you've taken from someone else in order to gain the resources to help another. Altruism DOESN"T EXIST.

[Teek]

Well, the first thing I'd do is stop blaming man for his virtues. Greed, selfishness... these things are what the world desperately needs right now, not selflessness and an orgy of self-sacrifice.

I'd establish a totally capitalistic society based on the gold standard. I'd abolish all forms of control on the people except for the one obvious one: the right to one's rights, i.e. I would make illegal that which is a destruction of rights. (Murder, for example, because it is an individual taking away another's right to life.) I would, after settling in my own country of freedom, throw open my borders and allow free immigration to all.

No war needed in a self-sustained society.

[Martyr]

I would, after settling in my own country of freedom, throw open my borders and allow free immigration to all.

I wouldn't open immigration to anybody. All immigrants would get shot on site.
Living in the US has taught me that it's far better to hate people from other cultures in other countries than it is to hate people from other cultures who live next door.