*cliche.Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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EoFF Forums has always had a rule that no illegal material could be posted on-site. I myself have closed numerous threads offering links to ROMs--even from members I have sent ROMs to or received ROMs from directly. If it's happening in the forums, it's non-grata, but there's never been any argument with peddling technically illegal "abandonware" type content through other means, such as private messaging or AIM.
It would seem to me that the sole exception to EoFF's stance on such matters is the fact that EoFF carries hundreds of advertisements for companies like IGE and mysupersales that sell FFXI gil. Although IGE will protest that what they're doing is not illegal--by Hong Kong law (haha, law in Hong Kong, that's funny)--it is, in principle, illegal as any ingame currency is the intellectual property of Square-Enix. So really, such gil-selling companies are selling something that belongs to someone else, plus such real-currency transactions are against Square-Enix's terms of service.
Basically, the entire premise under which such gil sellers operate is nothing more than one of Confucius's straw dogs, backed up by the complete and utter lack of law enforcement with relation to internet matters in such nations as Russia and Hong Kong.
So, Shlup, high horses have absolutely nothing to do with this. This is a matter of the old EoFF's principles being touted in the new EoFF, which is in active support of a bunch of smug bandits hiding out from the law by headquartering themselves where there is none. I'd like to see a return of the old, principled EoFF, but supporting gilsellers while laying the smackdown on people running private servers is pretty two-faced and hypocritical.
Unne has it more right--Sean can do whatever the devil he wants, whether it's right or not. If anybody's on a high horse, it's those of you who are trying to make the staff out to be 100% right 100% of the time when double-standards are being liberally applied on a regular basis.
The staff is the law here, and you can allow or disallow whatever you want--but can you lay off just a bit on trying to spoon-feed us made-up bullsnikky that doesn't make a whit of sense?
EDIT: I should add that I do support the decision to remove the private server link, although I just may dodge around the restriction myself in a way that is beyond the staff's control. I think, in this instance, it was an oldbie staff member applying the ethics of the old, principled EoFF, which is commendable. What is irking me so much in this case is the attempt to throw in made-up after-the-fact justification. This started out to be a supporting-the-staff post, but I went off on a wild tangent over the gilseller ads. Even though I went off topic, though, there is nothing in that rant that I would unsay.
I never mentioned ad's
Never pluralize with an apostrophe!
Last edited by Citizen Bleys; 01-28-2005 at 08:32 PM.
Always end sentences with a full-stop or a period, depending on what you refer to them as.
Always degrammerise
Bleys...all I have to say is...I love you, man.
Get your hand out of there!
You're turning into BoB
I love this part of the forum.
"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless,
uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
No, I'm much worse. Don't you remember that convo I posted in my LJ between me and Lynx?
*humps Bleys's leg*
I'm going to donate all my ff11 gil to tsunami relief.
I actually did that with my UO gold. As did Doomy. Representatives from EA, while not able to "official condone it," said they were very impressed with the whole group of us.
But I digress. xD
Why donate ingame currency when you can just send real money? There are hundreds of different organizations accepting donations for tsunami relief even here in Moncton, and that's a hole in the ground.
I'd rather do that then use ingame currency, as that is ethically reprehensible if not technically illegal. Cash money belongs to me in reality, whereas gil belongs to Square-Enix. I'd not feel the least bit accomplished donating somebody else's property to any cause.
How does donating in game currency even help? I guess I'm a little lost on this one.
Companies like IGE will buy ingame currency for real money, although the price they buy at is much lower than the selling price, hence my preference for donating real money directly through UN-sponsored organizations.
The amount of money that companies like IGE pay is significant to people in many Asian countries due to the exchange rate. This is why many of the gilsellers in FFXI are Chinese--in China, the IGE equivalent of 1 million gil is enough to support a person comfortably for something like a month. But if you give a gilseller 1 mil, they get something like $25, whereas IGE will charge me $40-$50 for the same 1 million gil, meaning that IGE is getting fat and the people in China are just getting enough to get by. If you want to donate, it is much better to send the $50 directly, that way IGE gets nothing for being bandits who sell other people's property, and the people in the tsunami-devastated countries get the full benefit of what the game player is giving up.
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