The Rinoa-Ultimecia theory.

[XoXyunalescaXoX]

Selphie is an evil sorceress... Yeah maybe this topic is pretty stupid.

and i totally agree with that

[Destai]

Mayne Headmaster Cid was Ultimecia all along...

[XoXyunalescaXoX]

lol oh yeah how could i have missed that one? ALLLLLL the signs say that Cid is Ultimecia

wow... this is what i think:

ok, im in geometry in school right now, and we're learning all these stupid proofs and theorems and whatnot... well anyways, the reflexive property... a=a. meaning U=U. not R=U or S=U or anything else. Why complicate that?

[Destai]

yeah? Well try this? R=1, U=1, Hence R=U. It was just something that made a villain more interesting for me. Ultimecia was just a stupid idea for the game.

[rubah]

Rinoa isn't 1 though She's a character in ff8, not a number.
But, mathematically,
It could be:

if R thenU; ifU then S; since R, then S. Yay law of syllogism.

or something like:
If Rinoa is going to be interesting in FF8, then she is Ultimecia.
Rinoa is interesting in FF8, thus Rinoa is Ultimecia.

I can't remember what the second one is called though, maybe XoXyunalescaXoX does, because she seems to be learning it now

[Skyblade]

Rinoa is NOT Ultimecia. Even assuming Ultimecia once was Rinoa, to misquote Obi-Wan Kenobi:

"When Rinoa became Ultimecia, the good person who was Rinoa was destroyed."

Rinoa and Ultimecia are two completely different people. Different drives, different emotions, different accents... When someone changes that much, they are no longer the same person, IMHO.

[§håd0w]

Not true... take this example

Michael Jackson (Jackson 5) > Michael Jackson (Present day)

Black > Not Black
Hot > Bony and ugly
Child > Child molester

This defies your reasoning. His appearance has changed completely, his motives have changed as well. Sorry, but this defies your logic.

[Skyblade]

...Not really... Try rereading my post, and think it over a little...

[§håd0w]

Read it quite a bit. Just because someone changes, does not make them a different person. They are always the same person, unless they get the operation.

Rinoa and Ultimecia are two completely different people. Different drives, different emotions, different accents... When someone changes that much, they are no longer the same person, IMHO.

Someone can have a revelation during their life and completely change their ways. But they're still the same person as they were before, just a different lifestyle. A child grows into an adult, their drives change from having fun etc... to doing what is required or not getting fired, etc... Their emotions change as well. A kid would not understand love, though and adult does. The way they speak changes as well, I have not seen one child grow older and talk the same as they did as toddler. Something things such as the R=U theory cannot be proven by such logic.

[Sir Bahamut]

True. Mentally, they might as well be considered different personalities. Ultimecia may be considered as the split, evil personality of Rinoa in a sense.

[§håd0w]

Oh yes, I totally agree with that. A derranged killer can make a complete turn around and become a preacher to repent. He's the same person, but he's not the maniac he once was.

[Skyblade]

Read it quite a bit. Just because someone changes, does not make them a different person. They are always the same person, unless they get the operation.



Someone can have a revelation during their life and completely change their ways. But they're still the same person as they were before, just a different lifestyle. A child grows into an adult, their drives change from having fun etc... to doing what is required or not getting fired, etc... Their emotions change as well. A kid would not understand love, though and adult does. The way they speak changes as well, I have not seen one child grow older and talk the same as they did as toddler. Something things such as the R=U theory cannot be proven by such logic.

The R=U theory can't be proven by logic at all... All I'm pointing out is that the two are not the same. The arguement points to the fact that Rinoa/Ultimecia lost her memories due to the GF and she gains an insane obsession with the time compression. Totally different mentalities, without even the same memories... How can that be classified as the same person?

[§håd0w]

Point taken. Though Rinoa never equipped a GF until she joined with SeeD members. So while you can blame some of it on the GF, you cannot blame all of it. Since there is obviously some consciousness left in those who have used GFs. They still remember a lot of things, just not chldhood. Which actually isn't uncommon.

[Sir Bahamut]

Uh, because they're still the same person? Just because Ultimecia is completely different than Rinoa, doesn't mean she wasn't still born as Rinoa.

Yes, they 'might as well' be different characters in that sense, but they aren't in the R=U theory. Same person, different personality.

Oh, and GF usage isn't the main argument used for Rinoas change of personality, simply because it's too speculative whether or not she used GFs after the game. It's her insanity at Squalls death that's the main argument.

[§håd0w]

Heh, I was considering adding that to my point, but decided not to.