Quote Originally Posted by feioncastor
BG, you seem to really despise Delita. Why is that? His goal was pretty much the same as Ramza's, he just used a dirtier way to get there. He was tired of people like Dycedarg and Zalbag being allowed to order the death of people like him or his sister, Teta. So he did something about it. I mean, I would've done it that way too. Ramza had to work much harder and kill of these terrible monstrosities, whereas Delita had to kill off old geezers like Goltana and such. Delita got things done. He fixed the problems that were plaguing Ivalice and made it a happier place. Ramza had a lot to do with that too, but without Delita, Ramza would not have succeeded either. Some of the people that Delita doublecrossed and killed probably would've finished up Ramza, so in that sense, Delita played a huge role. Huge enough, in fact, that only his name appeared in the history books. That's why Alazlam's agenda involves exposing the truth regarding Ramza's role in everything.

But even so, Delita was a key player in the whole thing and thanks to his efforts, Ivalice became a happier place.
I disagree with you about Delita's methods being justified. I would never conscience kidnapping, betrayl, murder, and lying even to create a better place. Anyway, wouldn't that be kind of hypocritical of him to create a just society based on a foundation of such sordid doings?

I had sympathy for him over Teta but he frittered that away over his various unwholesome activities. He's no worse than say Zalbag or Roefel, but they get a comeuppance by the end. I find Delita's motives understandable, but I think he still got off lightly.

Quote Originally Posted by feioncastor
And hey, I wanted to ask, does that mean that the teaching of Glabdos Church is nothing but a pack of lies? People thought that St. Ajora was the savior when really he was a bad guy, right? Ironically, after Ramza stops St. Ajora, when he becomes Altima, right after that, it shows the funeral scene being conducted by a priest of Glabdos... Or do I have that wrong? Even after Ramza destroyed the Zodiac Braves and saved the world, people continued to believe that the Braves were good guys.... Crazy. I guess it's because Ramza never bothered telling anyone about his findings in the scriptures and regarding the stones and St. Ajora.

Do I have that right? I'm really concerned that perhaps I don't understand the storyline entirely...

Feion
There is also mention of a King of Murond who summoned demons and the Zodiac Braves fought them. I think the summoning part is true, but I suspect that the Zodiac Braves ended up serving the demons instead of destroying them. They may have well began by fighting Altima and the others, but could have been corrupted. Naturally since the church is based in Murond, and there are no competing accounts of what happened, I'm sure the church did its best to omit the events that made the followers of Ajora look bad. I'm sure the heroics of Father Fara were ruthlessly surpressed.

An interesting (and possibly unanswerable) question is was Altima always acting through Ajora or did he posses and corrupt him at a later date (like Weisgraf)?