Ok.....if FFVII is considered the greatest game ever, why do so many ppl hate it?

[Shadow Bahamut]

i agree it doesn't give much about any favourites, but yeah, it does give an idea, because, if everyone said it was bad, or a least favourite game, then sales stats would decrease, or may not even rise.
so, it must have been quite a popular game, if not a favourite....

[Seraf]

The FFVII fanbase is just as big if not bigger than the FFVI(III) fanbase. I already stated earlier that I personally like FFVII more even though I've played the entire series since the beginning.

[Shadow Bahamut]

what else can i say?? it's obvious that both games are just as favourable than each other....

[§håd0w]

It's just that many people who play Final Fantasy now had never even heard of the series before VI came out. That's personally one of the reasons why I like VI more; it didn't send Final Fantasy mainstream. And because VII did so well, it seems as if Square is pushing to release another one every year now, and well... it is starting to show that they're pushing. Just about every one after VII has started to lack in different ways.

[Masamune·1600]

it is starting to show that they're pushing. Just about every one after VII has started to lack in different ways.

That's a matter of opinion, and nothing else. I personally prefer every numerical post-VII FF plus Tactics to every pre-VI FF (FFVII, for the record, is my favorite, and FFVI is my second favorite). Why, by the way, should it bother you if it sent the series mainstream?

[Shadow Bahamut]

i was wondering that too...
it shouldn't make a difference in game play. The fact that Enix took a partnership made the difference in games. Personally, i don't think they're doing a good job, but, everybody to their own....

[TheAbominatrix]

The Enix merger had nothing to do with the quality of the games. Enix people do not work on Square games, Square does not work on Enix games. And in fact, except for Before Crisis, none of the games have been released after the merge (except for X-2, which was released not long after the merger... after the game was pretty much done). It's not Enix's fault in the least. Enix has just become a scapegoat for fans who cant admit that Square isnt perfect.

[§håd0w]

I'll just clearify what I meant to say earlier.

I didn't like how Final Fantasy went mainstream after VII. Once that was such a huge success, Square (not Enix) has put out a Final Fantasy game just about every year afterwards, and IMHO they have not kept up with the standards that VI and VII had set. So once again IMHO, it seems that once Square got that taste of glory with VII, they have benn pushing to release another Final Fantasy each year; and I personally think they aren't living up to their predecessors.

And for the record, that is IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, and I am referring to SQUARE and not ENIX.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

[TheAbominatrix]

I'll just clearify what I meant to say earlier.

I didn't like how Final Fantasy went mainstream after VII. Once that was such a huge success, Square (not Enix) has put out a Final Fantasy game just about every year afterwards, and IMHO they have not kept up with the standards that VI and VII had set. So once again IMHO, it seems that once Square got that taste of glory with VII, they have benn pushing to release another Final Fantasy each year; and I personally think they aren't living up to their predecessors.

And for the record, that is IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, and I am referring to SQUARE and not ENIX.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

I wasnt refering to what you said, I was replying to the post above mine.

To note, however, Square's release schedule for FF hasnt changed.

[§håd0w]

Meh, I only read your post and the one that had a quote from me in it.

What STANDARDS are you talking about? What is it you prefer to see?

Does it really matter? I do believe I stated a good 4 times in that post it is what I think. Please note that I made 'I' bold and large, because that is the point I am trying to get across. I don't think the games after VII lived up to the predecessors; I didn't think they were quite as good. That was what I think. Not some cliché opinion, but rather my personal opinion. I see no reason as to why there should be something wrong with me voicing it. If you want specific details as to what I held against the other games, I will tell you. But really all I want to see is a challenging game with a decent plot and gameplay.

[Vratar]

I haven't read all seven pages of this thread, so I hope I'm not repeating anything here, but this is a really interesteg topic...

When wer're talking about FF-VII, it seems as though there are two groups of people; those that had played the FF series before, and those who started with VII. I am in the latter group, and really the only reason I got VII is because, *gasp* they made if for PC. I think that if you started with VII, you are going to love that one best because that is your frame of reference for all other Final Fantasy games.

Not having played the series bofore, this one got me hooked. I still consider it the best gaming experience I've ever had. The characters, music and story all just worked for me and kept me wanting to do every little thing there was to do. When I was done, I wanted more but had no way to play the older ones (I had no consoles...).

I have since been able to play FF-I, FF-VI some of FF-IX (in Japanese -- it just took forever to do that much reading!) and FF-X. I still like VII the best, though VI was also a great one.

For people who were with the series before VII came along, if you didn't know Japanese, you were only able to play 2 or 3 (?) of the first six, and of those, VI is the defining game. Where I compare all FF games to VII, you compare them all to VI. For you, VII doesn't compare to VI, and to me, VI doesn't compare to VII. Yes, those of us who started with VII may be latecomers, but we are every bit as genuine FF fans as those who started with FF-I. And really, does it really matter which game brought us to the series? Now that we're all here, we can all enjoy its greatness!

Here's an interesting question:
-To people who played FF6 first -- how many of you like FF7 better?
-To people who played FF7 first -- how many of you like FF6 better?

I think we'll find that people will like the first one they played the best.

Sorry for the long post!

[Stilva]

In my opinion, Final Fantasy VII is the greatest FF and possibly game of all time. I have played FFs I-III and from VI-X2, and still regard it as the best. The combination of interesting yet diverse characters, an accessible yet sophistucated battle system and a breathtaking storyline led me to placing this game on a pedestal above all others.

Compared to other FFs, the characters recieved a large amount of development (especially put up against VIII) and this allowed the story to flow, while retaining elements of ambiguity and posing questions. And the story, while occaisonally predictable, managed to throw up more than its fair share of memorable moments.

And the thing that probably seals the fact that VII was a great game, despite its many doubters, is that it still manages to provoke more discussions than the other games, 8 years after its release.

That post turned out to be much longer than I intended...

[Mercen-X]

I played through FFII on my cousin's SNES. I'd never seen anything like it before. I had completely forgotten about it and never even HEARD about any other FF's (didn't have a TV, didn't have a radio, didn't buy mags, wasn't at all sociable) until FF7 came along and I by pure chance picked up a zine called Tips & Tricks with FF7 Cloud on the cover.
I'd never read a gaming magazine before and I didn't even realize that's what I'd picked up. At the time, I was naive and believed that all magazines talked about the same stuff. Oy. Even when I finished FF7, even after I'd spent months playing it over and over again, I never even remembered FFII.
When FF8 came out is when I found about the whole series thing. I was so brainless, I didn't realize my game was called "Final Fantasy VII" for a reason. I was disappointed that I never had the chance to play all of the other games. Unlike most, I wasn't turned onto the FF series because I picked FF7, though I may have claimed that here somewhere before.
Actually, my parents and I were on food stamps for the longest time, moving from one cheap apartment complex to another that was cheaper. We were rats.
I now own Final Fantasy Origins (FF&FF2), Final Fantasy Chronicles (FF4&Chrono Trigger), and Final Fantasy Anthology (FF5&FF6). They added things like "run" for speedy travel, bestiaries, and I think they made the ATB a little faster.
In MY opinion, FF lacked a plot altogether. Of course, seeing as how it was the first, I can understand that. I can NOT sit through FF2, 5, or 6 longer than fifteen minutes without falling asleep at some point.
It's MY opinion that most people who prefer the old games would also prefer to play the old board RPG's like D&D.
FF7 was a HUGE departure from board-style RPG (with the exception of those SLOTS), the revamped ATB, the Limit Breaks, the hidden characters (actually, haven't played through enough of the old games to see if there were any there; like I said, I fall asleep), actually I would have preferred if Vincent (preferrably) or Yuffie would have had at least one FMV of their own - one you unlock by making them members of your party.

[Squall of SeeD]

In response to Vratar's question, I started with Final Fantasy VII and it was the game that got me into the series (I hadn't even heard of Final Fantasy before that), yet Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite, with Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy VI in second and third place respectively.

To elaborate on that, VII isn't in my top three -- or even four -- favorite games in the series (Tactics is my fourth favorite), despite it being the first I played. While it's true for many folks that the first they played is their favorite and that the rest they will judge in reference to the first, I had the benefit of my older brother telling me that VII was vastly different from previous games in the series and that VIII was not likely to be a repeat of VII.

While I did judge VIII in reference to VII for the first half an hour or so, it quickly became apparent that VIII was altogether something different and something that had to be judged based on its own merits and in relation to my personal preferences of what I would enjoy, not in relation to anything else. I've since judged each Final Fantasy that I have played/watched accordingly.


By the way, Mercen-X, Final Fantasy VI had two hidden characters, as well. VII wasn't cracking any molds with that.

[Holy_Aeris]

Hate FF7????
who would do such a thing!!!!