Vincent's age in FFVII:AC?

[Nova Briar]

Vincent could have Geostigma, easily, remember we havent seen that much of him in the trailers, so he could have, it just hasnt been mentioned yet.

A good point...the only two times you really see Vincent are (I'd better put this in spoiler tags just to be safe): (SPOILER)when he's talking to Cloud in the Sleeping Forest and then in Midgar during Bahamut's attack. Now that I think of it, compared to Cloud, we've barely seen him at all. So I concede that you're right--the possibility that Vincent has Geostigma is still there.

As for Cloud, Seph and Vincent undergoing transformations .etc. Well, arent the J-cells pretty unpredictable as to what they actually do? Its effects could simply differ from individual to individual.

Another good point...I don't think that Hojo had even the faintest idea what J-cells could do. (Or even if he did, I don't... )

Also, Seph could conceivably have had a lot more "experience" with the J-cells, since he was born with them and actually found out about them at the Nibelheim incident, a full five years before Vincent left the Shinra mansion. I know Vincent also had J-cells for thirty years, but I don't think he was exactly exploring their capabilities while he was lying there in that coffin. If Sephiroth was "trying out" his Jenova cells, at least to some degree, during the five years between the Nibelheim incident and the main events of VII, I think it's possible he could've found some way to control his transformations more than Vincent's were. That still doesn't account for Cloud's lack of transformations, though...although he did have them for only a fraction of the time that Vincent and Sephiroth did. Maybe the Jenova DNA hadn't really infiltrated his genome yet?

Another interesting side note: If J-cells are the reason why Vincent didn't age (at least physically) beyond the age he recieved them (27), why didn't they "freeze" Sephy's physical development?

Nova Briar

[Destai]

The J cells were injected into each of them in different ways, werent they? Its often said Sephiroth is the child of Jenova and when you know how he was born its understandable, right? Wasnt whatever Hojo did to Vincent experimentary? Different methods, different effects?

[Shoden]

well Hojo used Mako and genetic materials of beasts on vincent.

what prrof do you have that that is Bahamut in Midgar? it has a ram's head for gods sake and it materialized out of a silver substance and it was evil

[Destai]

well Hojo used Mako and genetic materials of beasts on vincent.

Where did you learn that?

[Shoden]

ok its obvious you see where else could Vincent have gotten the genetic signature to transform into those specific beasts but the mixture between the mako and cells fused the creatures into 4 specific ones, (just guessing) also after Vincent tried to stop Hojo from using Mako experiments on Lucrecia he got shot but he used Mako on Vincent and Jenova cells on Lucrecia, after the expeirmentation finished we dunno how long vincent was asleep for (not the sleep before meeting cloud) he was too late to save Lucrecia so he went to sleep. the mako was different as it was filled with all sorts of things.
also i was told this from a friend who was reaaly interested in FF7 and Vincent was his fav char im not saying everything he said im making some things up that sound logical enough to be true

[Destai]

So its a theory, Yeah thought so.

[Shoden]

its part theory though if you remember correctly Vincent confronted Hojo to stop him usin Lucrecia as an experiment for Mako then he got shot in the head and he was experimented on instead but the theory part is what happened with the experiments and what they were

[Nova Briar]

what prrof do you have that that is Bahamut in Midgar? it has a ram's head for gods sake and it materialized out of a silver substance and it was evil

Whoo...take it easy. :whaaa: First of all, Bahamut could concievably be "evil", because Summons are supposed to serve whoever holds their shiny red materia. The monster just serves the master's ends. But anyway, I called it Bahamut b/c that's what it was termed in the Special Report in Daeya.org. The people who wrote the report were lucky enough to actually see footage of AC, instead of just peering at screenshots like most of us (myself included), so I assumed they knew what they were talking about. There's been no official statement on what monster it was, so I really have no clue what it is. It's quite possible it's not Bahamut. Don't hit me.

ok its obvious you see where else could Vincent have gotten the genetic signature to transform into those specific beasts but the mixture between the mako and cells fused the creatures into 4 specific ones

The only transformation which I really thought looked like it was a "beast" was Vincent's first transformation, Galian Beast (sp?). The others seemed mainly humanoid to me...okay, with the exception of the wings on his fourth transformation (Chaos, I think). Maybe the green skin on the second one (you know, the one that looked like Frankenstein?) But nothing that was really beast-like, in my opinion, on anything but the first. As for where the genetic material for the transformations came from--who knows? As mentioned before, Hojo was a mad bishy. He likely wouldn't have had a problem getting a DNA sample from some gum he found on the bottom of one of his shoes.

Wasnt whatever Hojo did to Vincent experimentary? Different methods, different effects?

Very true. *bows* I stand corrected!

[Shoden]

watch the trailers the thingy has a ram head and bird wings either its bahamut or some genetic mutated distorted cross between a dragon and a sheep lol.

well Beats/Monsters/Humanoids whatever you know what i meant

[V. Valentine]

when hojo altered vincent he wanted to make him suffer, so he not only gave him the awesome evil power within him, but also stopped his aging process so that he would have to live forever with the fact that his love -lucrecia- belonged to hojo.
so reaguardless of anything, vincent will ALWAYS be 27 untill someone kills him......hah.......as if that could happen
p.s This is my first post, so, HI EVERYONE ^_^

[Destai]

*27
Maybe DOC will fix that one way or another.

[Shoden]

Hojo was nothing compared to Ghast according to Sephiroth so there must be someway to fix Vincent's curse.

(off topic sorry)
at the end of disc 2 when you fight Hojo why does he tell cloud maybe he'll be cut out to be scientist?

[Nova Briar]

Good point, V. Valentine. I hadn't ever considered the possibility that Hojo might have wanted Vincent to live forever...I just thought that perhaps it was a side-effect, or something. Poor Vincent... (He can have me anyday )

I do hope DOC addresses Vincent's "unique" abilities, even if it doesn't ultimately end in a cure. To overlook them entirely would be a HUGE oversight on the part of Squeenix.

And as for why Hojo said that to Cloud...who knows why he does anything he does? *shrug* I wasn't able to make sense of him for most of the game.

Nova Briar
Edit:Welcome to the forums, V. Valentine, from one newbie (and Vincent fan) to another.

[Shoden]

Hojo is an insane lunatic Cloud and Vincent got they're revenge
Cloud: Hojo claimed him as a failed Sephiroth clone and maybe responsible for the Mako and Jenova cells within him

Vincent: used Lucrecia and shot him in the head, then experimented on him making him cursed and having to live with it forever

[Destai]

I forgot again... Welcome V Valentine!