There is no law saying all Final Fantasy games must have a turn-based battle system anyway ;(. I personally like RPG games with a lot of action when fighting. I love the systems we find in the Star Ocean series, and the one in Tales of Symphonia, so the system in FFX-2 is just the right thing for me. I don't feel that I relied much on luck when playing FFX-2 either, but timing, yeah.
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Welll..... I really must get a PS2 so I can see exactly what ya'all are talking about when you mention FFX-2's battle system. Is there anything that would really compare to it htat I may have played?
Regardless the battle system I remember enjoying the most was Parasite Eve's.... but I already know that I wouldn't enjoy if I had to control multiple characters, one character is great though. Also Parasite Eve is at least a tad harder then FF's these days... Definately a fun game for me... some of those beasties would set me back multiple times till I finally wisened up and beat them. Added to the difficulty back then was my parents had bought me a game, my family a PS(we still use the same one.... but it is getting to be pretty weak.. .doesn't find the disc's very often now... .definately need ot replace it), but we had NO memory card. You guessed it I went and sat and tried to beat PE WITHOUT being able to save... my first time I got all the way to the Worm boss on the second day... and *Pooff*...... I tried again... only to be beaten... and finally on my 3rd or 4th try I beat it!! From there I made it all the way to the dog boss in the precient and he killed me. After being handed my rear 2 more times I decided to quite till I got a memory card... I was putting WAY too many hours into the game.
However others I have seen say Parasite Eve is at least fairly difficult. And it isn't difficult in that you have to run around and level alot you simply have to rethink your strategy... which is what it should be.
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Zelda's an adventure game, I'm not really sure how to explain what's an adventure game and what's an RPG. So I'll just say *turn-based RPGs are not hard, since Secret of Mana and others can be pretty difficult if you don't have the best reflexes.Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
Have you ever played Zelda: a link to the past? That's also considered an RPG... and the boss in that freaking forest in the dark world is HARD!!!And so is some of the puzzels and dungeons.
Well... that's MY opinion. And no matter what anyone say... I think the FFX2 system is "chaotic"!!!
Well i respect your opinion Ultima shadow...you perfer your battles "classical" and i perfer mine "unique"...to very cool views on two quite diffrent battle styles...
as for you Feioncaster...its cool..no need to apologize (though that is very kind of you) its not like there isnt pepole out there that agree with you..your opinion is just as cool as everyone else and i for one am glad you expressed it openly unlike most pepole...i salute youcause personally im GLAD pepole disagree with what i gotta say..cause if everyone agreed on somthing then we'd all be the same..and when were all the same we dont care to learn anything..and when we dont care to learn anything then you dont DO anything..and when you dont do anything you stop moving and when you stop moving then you stop breathing and when you stop breathing...you die
and for the record i think Zelda is an RPG and that game did take me somtime to beat when i was little but now that im grown up i beat it in like 2 days...*sigh* so sad but i love zelda over anything so it really doesnt matter
Again ZELDA IS NOT AN RPG
quote from exactly what I said in another forum:
Ah the fabled what is an RPG argument always fun. Well don't use the you play a role argument, cause that'd be almost every game. And don't use the, has to be random encounters or turn based, cause that isn't true either.
Most RPG's give you a choice of how to raise your characters. Zelda, does not, except Zelda II. This element of having control of character development is an RPG. Come on, I want someone to say that there isn't any choice of character development in Final Fantasy, I'm expecting it...
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Feion, I hardly think you're being the most unreasonable person in this thread. I wouldn't apologize; if anyone is "upset" by something you said, that's their problem for getting worked up over something so silly.
And I don't consider the ATB system, which was present in every FF from IV to X-2 , save X and Tactics, to be turn-based.
actually i think Zelda IS and rpg and OK i wasnt gonna go with the whole "zelda isnt an rpg cause it doesnt have random battles and turnbased action" im not quite THAT Naive...but Zelda is a rpg...just cause it doesnt have chracter development..O WAIT..yes it does...item wise that is...compare it to your average adventure game (which im assuming thats what your implying it as an adventure and not an rpg) average adventures there really isnt any plot twists or anything..or plots at all for that matter...its "hey kill the bad guy and save the girl " from the begining till the end however Zelda has a plot...more so a story..it does have ALOT of rpg elements allowing it to be called either of the two...adventure or rpg but i see at as more rpg.
This time I actually DO agree with you!Well i respect your opinion Ultima shadow...you perfer your battles "classical" and i perfer mine "unique"...to very cool views on two quite diffrent battle styles...
as for you Feioncaster...its cool..no need to apologize (though that is very kind of you) its not like there isnt pepole out there that agree with you..your opinion is just as cool as everyone else and i for one am glad you expressed it openly unlike most pepole...i salute you
and for the record i think Zelda is an RPG and that game did take me somtime to beat when i was little but now that im grown up i beat it in like 2 days...*sigh* so sad but i love zelda over anything so it really doesnt matter
And Zelda is a so called "action RPG". So, yes... it IS considered an RPG.
Anyway... yea, I really wish some company could make a really hard "turn-based" RPG for once...
Agreed!
Well... it's not really turn-based like SMRPG and FFX etc. But it's the same idea. You move when you get your "turn".
Last edited by Ultima Shadow; 02-20-2005 at 08:55 PM.
hey man I agree that there is character development, but as I said before, RPG's give control over that development. What control do you have in Zelda? 90% of the items are needed to beat the game. I respect your opinion, but I still think you're wrong... sorry, and I fight for the right for you to have that opinion, even if it is wrong heheactually i think Zelda IS and rpg and OK i wasnt gonna go with the whole "zelda isnt an rpg cause it doesnt have random battles and turnbased action" im not quite THAT Naive...but Zelda is a rpg...just cause it doesnt have chracter development..O WAIT..yes it does...item wise that is...compare it to your average adventure game (which im assuming thats what your implying it as an adventure and not an rpg) average adventures there really isnt any plot twists or anything..or plots at all for that matter...its "hey kill the bad guy and save the girl " from the begining till the end however Zelda has a plot...more so a story..it does have ALOT of rpg elements allowing it to be called either of the two...adventure or rpg but i see at as more rpg.
Oh and most adventure games I can think of include the Zelda type of character development... I'd call it action/adventure personally. And where does it say anywhere that zelda is an action RPG, on the box? cause I don't see it
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THE JACKEL
I believe that most Zelda games are officially classified as Adventure/RPG, not RPG, and not RPG/Adventure. They put the Adventure first because the dominant characteristics of a Zelda game are Adventure based. Very little of it is actually role-playing, considering that you really don't take on the role of Link, you just tell him what to do. In a good RPG, you're supposed to somewhat become the characters, but I don't think that any Zelda game was developed with the intent of taking on the role of Link.
Feion
Agreed.
However... let's stay on topic.
HOPEFULLY FFXII will be more like the older ones when it comes to stuff that i find annoying about the newer ones!
Oh, and Feion... exactly WHY don't your brother play anymore?
hey man I agree that there is character development, but as I said before, RPG's give control over that development. What control do you have in Zelda? 90% of the items are needed to beat the game. I respect your opinion, but I still think you're wrong... sorry, and I fight for the right for you to have that opinion, even if it is wrong
well my equally stubborn friend i too will stick with my opinion (though i do agree zelda is more adventure than rpg o and it says on nintendo.com that zelda is an rpg..even though thats not a very reliable source..((or is it??))
now then yea FF12 it seems pretty cool from what i have seen..i heard the battle is real time which seems awsome and they have all the races from fftA which is even sweeter...horray for bangaas! (hope you get one in your party..that would be tooo sweeeet)
Actually nintendo.com just has it as an adventure game, all of them as just adventure games, even the one I classify as an RPG...
Legend of Zelda, The: Collector's Edition
Category: Adventure, System: NINTENDO GAMECUBE, ESRB: E, Release Date Nov, 2003
Legend of Zelda, The: Ocarina of Time Master Quest
Category: Adventure, System: NINTENDO GAMECUBE, ESRB: E, Release Date Feb 16, 2003
Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Advance, ESRB: E, Release Date Oct 25, 2004
Legend of Zelda, The (tentative title)
Category: Adventure, System: NINTENDO GAMECUBE, ESRB: RP, Release Date 2005
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past
Category: Adventure, System: Super NES, ESRB: E, Release Date Apr 01, 1992
Legend of Zelda, The: Four Swords Adventures
Category: Adventure, System: NINTENDO GAMECUBE, ESRB: E, Release Date Jun 07, 2004
Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Advance, ESRB: E, Release Date Jun 07, 2004
Legend of Zelda, The: Ocarina of Time
Category: Adventure, System: Nintendo 64, ESRB: E, Release Date Nov 01, 1998
Legend of Zelda, The: Oracle of Seasons
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Color, ESRB: E, Release Date May 14, 2001
Legend of Zelda, The: Oracle of Ages
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Color, ESRB: E, Release Date May 14, 2001
Legend of Zelda, The: Link's Awakening DX
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Color, ESRB: E, Release Date Dec 01, 1998
Legend of Zelda, The: The Wind Waker
Category: Adventure, System: NINTENDO GAMECUBE, ESRB: E, Release Date Mar 24, 2003
Legend of Zelda, The: The Minish Cap
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Advance, ESRB: E, Release Date Jan 10, 2005
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past / Four Swords
Category: Adventure, System: Game Boy Advance, ESRB: E, Release Date Dec 02, 2002
and that's directly from searchin on nintendo.com for Zelda
SO, can we finally establish that Zelda is NOT an RPG...
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and that's directly from searchin on nintendo.com for Zelda
SO, can we finally establish that Zelda is NOT an RPG...
GRRR well played mate...well played....my hats off to you (didnt mean ay offense by the way when i said stubborn if you got upset or anything
funny you said "since your day" considering I'm older than you. No i took no offense by the stubborn comment, I know I am. You'll win an argument, if you're on the right side of it. Oh and it's THE JACKEL, not JACKAL, people need to pay more attention to that rather than assuming it's like the animal or something, cause it isn't!
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