Muscle Heads! (election candidates)

[Psychotic]

...Small European Midgets. Why do ALL of our answers refer to midgets? Rye had Midget Lust XXX Volume 3, Fuza had midget tux Vincent, and now Striff does this. Of course, there IS a reason for it. What is it? Ah, that would be telling.

Humongous sword + wacky hairdo + big-breasted girlfriend = all the ingredients to a fanboy’s wet dream.

Yeah, damn FFVII fanboys, they can be pretty irritating. But what are even MORE irritating than them? FFVI fanboys. (Not implying that Flamethrower is one, I don't go to the FFVI forum anymore so I wouldn't know) I'm not saying FFVI is a bad game, it's not and I really enjoyed it, but it's just the attitudes of the die-hard fans by calling everyone who likes newer FF's fanboys. Ugh.

EDITATION!: EB have you got Takara's answer? I know she was working on it today, so that should be in soon, if it isn't already.

[Kirobaito]

Though XoXyunalescaXoX's answer was made by EB, it's still better than all the others. :/

[Flamethrower]

Just to clarify, I wasn't referring to just FFVII fanboys when I made that comment (in fact, FFVII is my favorite game in the series), but RPG fanboys in general.

Just wanted to say that everyone has had really good answers so far! Discounting the Ace Party due to personal bias, I'd have to say that the BAoTW party has had the best answers so far in general. Even if they are my party's rival, gotta give props when props are due. Still, good effort by everybody.

Go Ace!

[eestlinc]

I have not received any submissions today at all. Except Yunalesca's of course.

[Samuraid]

Pure Strife didn't answer the second question which shows the lack of attention exhibited by BAotW.

Ichimonji did an excellent job.

[Chibi Youkai]

And what the hell IS it with the #eoff Party and singing/rapping terribly? MY EARS.

I liked Sweet_Angel's new song.

And yes it does work KB.

I was so not rapping, meanie. I don't even like rap. My mic isn't that great, being six or so years old, so it didn't come out very well.

[Election Booth]

I tried to save the best for the last few, and of course any discussion of bests at a FF message board has to include Final Fantasy VIII. So here it is:

Prove that Rinoa = Ultimecia. Feel free to use mathematics or the I Ching, but you may not use the word "junction" in your response.

Trumpet Thief (representing the BAotW party):
There are many reasons which prove that Rinoa is in fact Ultimecia. One of the things that stands out the most, and makes this theory more believable is the GF known as Griever. Squall shows it to Rinoa near the end of Disc 2, and whatever you name it, that is the name of the GF that Ultimecia has.

Another idea, that makes you believe that Rinoa is Ultimecia is the fact that sorceresses don't age. Because of that, maybe she will live to see Squall die, as well as her other friends, making her more of a twisted person, and eventually, go up to the point that she is the sorceress that is trying to control time.

This point might in fact be a coincidence, or something that proves that R = U. Ultimecia's castle is placed right on Edea's orphanage. The same orphanage where Squall promised Rinoa that: "I'll be here waiting for you, I promise." If he was truly waiting, then he would probably be right there.

Near the end of the game, when Squall is thinking of Rinoa before passing out, her faces eventually turns into Ultimecia's. This might have been something put in, just so that it could be "cool", or it could also be something, to link those two together. As well, it has been shown that Rinoa has white wings, and Ultimecia has black wings. That could mean that, through time, the colour of her wings changed, as her own self changed.

Other than those points, there is the most obvious thing. They both look alike.

"Reflect on your..."
"Childhood..."
"Your sensation..."
"Your words..."
"Your emotions..."
"Time..."
"It will not wait..."
"No matter..."
"...how hard you hold on"
"It escapes you..."

Those are quotes from the final battle with Ultimecia. Think about it.

Squally Leonharty (representing the #eoff party):
Err... That'd require me to look up a lot of things, which I seriously have no time for. Also, Rinoa is not Ultimecia and that has been proven several times, so I won't bother proving its counterpart. I'll give you two links with proper proof that Rinoa != Ultimecia and that should do it.

- http://www.rpgamer.com/editor/2003/q2/062303dcb.html
- http://www.square-x.com/news/169

Sorry if I disappoint you, but I only joined this election thing because Daniel/BoB asked me to. I figured that'd nice for me as long as I don't have to spend a lot of time to this. Well, there ya go.

louby_4eva (representing the Fluffy Pink party):
OMG!! I knew this was going to be the question.

Okay, so Squall gave Rinoa a ring with griever on it, she never gave it back and then Ultimecia has a GF named griever.
Ultimecia's castle is next to the orphanage where Squall said he'd wait for Rinoa......coincidence, I think not.
Sorceresses don't age, Adel's from the past and she's still alive and Cid is loads older than Edea, it's possible that he was younger when they got together (makes no sense but I'm pretty sure thats one of the reasons).
Ultimecia wants to kill Squall because he got older and died, she didn't, she went a lil mad and tried to kill him.

That's all I can think of. Just for the record, I don't belive the R=U theory.

Yamaneko (representing the Unne Avatar party):
42.



└┤　∵├〆 (representing the Elitist party):
Well, first you have to remember that Ultimecia is junctioned with...crap



Silmaril (representing the Ace party):
Rinoa ( Renova: to renew, restore, revive; Reno: to return, to swim back.)

Ultimecia (Ultimus: on the farther side, that is beyond, later, most distant, uttermost, extreme, the final.)


1. Appearance

Sorceresses do not age, why? Bcause it never in the whole game speaks of any sorceresses dying. I it is true sorceresses do not age, rinoa, being a sorceress could live on and become Ultimecia.

Ultimecia's final form in the last battle exhibits two sides. Also, if you remember in the ending battle, the face of Ultimecia is blanked out. During the ending FMV, Squall sees visions of Rinoa, but her face is also blanked out as well.
Then, you have what may be the most eerie piece of evidence. In the ending FMV, images of Rinoa's face are quickly interlaced with Ultimecia's.


2.Griever

Now this is a big indication that its true: Rinoa 'borrows' Squall's griever ring, yes she does get Zell to make a copy, but she never gives squall his back, this is proven at the field when rinoa says "I have this dream, I get all dressed up and put on your ring... etc...".

Just before you enter Galbadia garden, you get to name the ring, (the default is griever). Ultimecia has a GF called Griever, (or whatever you name the ring). If you remember, you get doomtrain out of solomons ring. its possible Griever is gained from Squall's ring, which Ultimecia would have if she is Rinoa.


3. Angel Wings

Ultimecia has black wings, (The black wings symbolize hatred, desire to suppress and oppress etc.). Rinoa has white wings (The white angel wings symbolize purity, friendship, inncocence but above all goodness). there is a lot of emphasis placed on rinoa's wings (on her costume, and limit). black = evil, white = good. it would be a natural progression. that is backed up by these shots taken from the ending. It appears Rinoa's wings are changing from white to black. The opposite colored wings were to represent that Rinoa stood for light and love, while Ultimecia was the antithesis of all that: darkness and nothingness, as Ultimecia intended to erase all of time, and rewrite it in her own image. The concept of good versus evil was represented in these two Sorceresses.

4. Location, location, location.

Rinoa and Squall promise to meet at a "certain place", the place where Ultimecia's castle tends to be.

On disc 3, Squall says to Rinoa at the field next to the orphanage "I'll be here waiting for you i promise ... etc..." and suddenly the whole intro makes sense. Now is it just a coincidence that Ultimecia's castle is placed exactly next to this? Why would Ultimecia park her castle there when she has anywhere in the whole world to put it? She is waiting for Squall at the field.

5. Motive

a. Absence of Sorcerer’s Knight:

No Squall, no knight. Her powers made her immortal, or at least with an obscenely long life. When she simply outlived Squall, her broken heart and loss of knight was probably too much for her, her memories slowly faded and she went mad. Her broken heart fueled her eventual hatred and all she could vaguely remember was "SeeD". Perhaps her time compression was not to destroy the world but to reconnect with Squall, but the evil in the power of the sorceress itself consumed her.

Edea: Ultimecia is a very fearful sorceress. Her heart is filled
with anger and hate.

Conversation with Squall:

--------
Esthar Airstation: Rinoa? The sorceress!? She's on the ship!?

Squall: (So... It's true? Rinoa is a sorceress?)

Rinoa: I've... become a sorceress. I can't stay with you anymore, Squall.

Esthar Airstation: Respond, Ragnarok!

Rinoa: I don't want the future. I want the present to stand still. I just want
to stay here with you...

Squall: (Rinoa...)

Esthar Airstation: Respond, Ragnarok!

Rinoa: Nobody would want to be around me anymore...

Esthar Airstation: The sorceress will be seized upon arrival. Be sure to follow
the crews instructions.

Rinoa: I'm... scared.

Esthar Airstation: Squall, do you copy? Is the sorceress listening, too?

Squall breaks off contact with the Esthar Airstation.

Rinoa: I'm scared, Squall.

Squall goes to Rinoa.

Rinoa: I don't wanna go back.
--------


Look at that line: "I don't want the future. I want the present to stand
still". If that doesn't sound like a reason for Time Compression I don't know
what does!

Later on Squall vows to be her knight, even if she fears she may turn bad. He
will not destroy her even if she does, he will stand by her. So it is easy to
imagine them becoming corrupted in the future. Her love for him provides
motivation to compress time in both scenarios, either lost in limbo or safely
back.

b. Loss of Squall:

See point a. Rinoa lost the love of her life because of her powers.


Thus,

Rinoa = Ultimecia
L.H.S = R.H.S

[Kirobaito]

└┤　∵├〆 wins.

[GhandiOwnsYou]

*claps* well played played folks. I'm a bit sad people missed one major point though. In the opening FMV, when Rinoa is running to Squall, both white AND BLACK feathers are flying about from her.... *eery music*


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r=u. hahaha.

[Kirobaito]

I was so not rapping, meanie. I don't even like rap. My mic isn't that great, being six or so years old, so it didn't come out very well.

Psy is just jealous because HIS party was not brave/smart enough to sing for an election.

And plus, you actually sounded pretty good.

Thirdly, what's wrong with rapping?

[Del Murder]

KB, we need to come up with your rap name.

To stay on topic, anyone brave enough to sing for all of us gets my vote, even when it has nothing to do with the question...

[Psychotic]

Psy is just jealous because HIS party was not brave/smart enough to sing for an election.

Thirdly, what's wrong with rapping?

Um, nowhere specifically states you HAVE to sing. So jealous? Me? Haha, I'm more than content with our answer for that question. After all, it's not a "smart" thing to do if it sounds bad.

Nothing wrong with rapping in general. Everything wrong with YOUR rapping KB, to which I was referring (Not Chibi Youkai's...who didn't rap)

Oh, and by └┤　∵├〆 wins, don't you mean Election Booth wins? I'm pretty sure he was behind that answer.

[Del Murder]

I thought Youkai did a great job, especially since the song was in another language. KB was good...for a white boy

[Election Booth]

as long as I am running the elections there will be singing involved in some way. I am very pleased that a couple members took me up on the request.

I think the last forum was great, so I'd rather wait a while to post the next, but I want to get these forums posted before I die, so here's another one of the big favorites, World Events. Three candidates for this forum didn't bother to answer (although at least one has a good excuse), but that's what they pay me the big bucks to do! Here goes:

What one person or event had the greatest impact on the world during 2004? Was the impact positive or negative? Explain.

DMKA (representing the BAotW party):
What had the biggest impact on our world in 2004 had to be, hands down, the tsunami disaster in Asia. While it didn't affect the western world directly, it affected the planet as a whole. So many lives were lost and establishments distroyed that it affected global economics, geography, and sociology. The aide of nations around the world came into play for the directly affected nations, thus affecting the other nations fniancially. It will also continue to affect us for a great deal of time to come, and the disaster has hardly ended for the countries in need. With all the potential diseases that may arise and spread rapidly due to so much scattered death, along with so much homelessness and torn economics, it will take years to re-establish a place of stability. Not only was the tsunami a huge effect to the world in 2004, but will be a huge dragging effect in 2005 and on.

Chickencha (representing the #eoff party):
What one person or event had the greatest impact on the world during 2004?

I could say it was the American presidential election, but that really had no impact. Nothing changed.

I could say it was the signing of the Magna Carta, but that happened 800 years ago.

I could say it was Michael Jackson, but then I'd have to shoot myself. And I'd rather not do that.

There are many things I could say. But I wouldn't be much of a politician if I made a clear choice and answered the question, now would I? In this upside-down age of cyborgs and space travel that we live in, there are no blacks and whites. Only shades of gray and sometimes brown where some idiot spilled coffee. Sometimes you just have to drop everything, step back, and say "What is this garbage? I thought I ordered clam chowder! Send this back to the kitchen!"

Kalen (representing the Fluffy Pink party):
October 18th, which happens to be the day I morphed into a giant moth and destroyed the entire city of Prague. Buildings taste like burning, people! Robert Smith of the Cure came to stop me but my sheer beauty (even as a giant moth) swayed him to my side.

Meow (representing the Fabio party):
When i think America, when someone asks me to describe it, i try to avoid the abstract. Because how are we as a people tolerant, or self-motivated, or even lazy? Statements like that are horoscope predictions. America isn't having a good relationship week because Mars is in retrograde. We don't define ourselves by the vague everyman cutouts from American Dream construction paper. America is something else entirely. It's cell phones and car radios and forty-hour work weeks. It's Super-Size fries and sport utility vehicles. It's football and movies, hybrid cars and giant airplanes. Americans are electronic junkies and strict Amish traditionalists, Southern Baptists and secular humanists. We've got quantum mechanics and Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome and cable television. We love our AC and i smile that my own home still doesn't have it installed. We borrowed Beatles mania from across the Atlantic and still can't agree who stole punk from whom. America is staying up late to type out journal assignments, going off to college and never e-mailing your parents, pondering graduate school and eventually becoming an English major because you can't keep your pen off the paper. And simultaneously, it's becoming a chemistry major and working for Johnson and Johnson, and eventually retiring to substitute teach high school chemistry every so often and tell crazy yet unfathomably intriguing stories while the students are trying to take that test. America is manifest destiny, embarrassing history, patriotic pride and civil disobedience. America is the WTO riots. America is Starbucks coffee. America is a jumbled ball of yarn.

George W Bush (representing the Elitist party):
The most influential person of 2004 would have to be Jesus Christ. He's been the most influential person for the last 2000 years and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Positive or negative? Of course his impact is positive! I mean, is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear...well I know you do, Angelo.

SocietyzAntidote (representing the Ace party):
with absolutely NO thought whatsoever, lets go ahead and say George Bush. Lets face it, absolutely no one can manage to polarize the population off the world into two individual seething piles of Bias like and extreme atheist liberal or an extreme christian conservative. Thanks to George Walker Bush, we have something to whine and whine and whine about from whichever view point we decide to support to an incredibly irrational extent, until something happens in this world that we can all bitch about together again! So yeah, Bush had the most impct, but in the worst possible way, by making people whine consistently for extended periods of time.

nik0tine (representing the Anti-EoFF party):
Educators in a small Sutter County school district gathered electronic tracking devices from hundreds of elementary and junior high school children Wednesday morning, ending the controversial pilot program that raised concerns over Big Brother-type privacy violations.

At a special meeting the night before, officials from locally based InCom Corp. announced that they were pulling out of an agreement with the Brittan School District near Yuba City that allowed them to test the devices on the students.

The company markets the badges, which have a radio-frequency antenna that is scanned when students pass through specially outfitted doorways, as a tool for taking attendance and monitoring students' locations.

[Election Booth]

Oh, and by └┤　∵├〆 wins, don't you mean Election Booth wins? I'm pretty sure he was behind that answer.

Actually, I did not write that answer.