Oh denizens of the Final Fantasy VII Forum, tell me, however you want, WHY Sephiroth is the Best Villian Ever in your opinion, because I just can't seem to grasp this notion. So I came seeking "help".
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Oh denizens of the Final Fantasy VII Forum, tell me, however you want, WHY Sephiroth is the Best Villian Ever in your opinion, because I just can't seem to grasp this notion. So I came seeking "help".
Boy am I an unfunny ass.
I can't do that.
The thing about Sephiroth is that he isn't evil, or sinister in the least bit. He's almost content with anti-hero status; he believes he's bringing divine justice to the planet. He has a goal, and death at the hands of Sephiroth only happens under the circumstance that someone gets in the way of that goal.
Now Kefka, there's an insidious guy. There's no rhyme or reason for the things he does other than he feels like doing these things. "Hmm... poisoning the drinking supply of an entire community sounds fun."
"Sure, I'll try try to destroy the world just as every FF villain before and following me has attempted. What's my reason? Bah, don't need one! And I'll actually succeed to an extent!"
(SPOILER)I actually feel a bit sorry for Sephiroth. He winds up being driven mad by his father, who has been totally crazy for a good few decades (and whom I really hate). Sephiroth thinks that he is the last remaining Cetra (besides Aeris), and that therefore he will rightfully inherit the world and destroy the pitiful creatures who stole it from his mother. The truth is that he was the child of Hojo and Lucrecia, with Jenova cells added to his genetic makeup. Even if he had been Jenova's son, he wouldn't have been the last (again, other than Aeris) of the Ancients, because Jenova was not an Ancient. This is quite clearly stated in the game (I can't give you the exact quote right now, but I will as soon as possible). Not only was Jenova not an Ancient, but he/she/it was an object of fear for the Ancients. Jenova, the calamity from the sky... I still wonder what would have happened if Sephiroth had learned the truth (say, from Professor Gast), instead of getting the twisted version of things that was the way Hojo saw the events. First he is deceived about his true family, then he stumbles upon Hojo's monster making project... What would have happened if he knew the truth? I think he could've been an awesome good guy. As it is, he became one of the most incredible RPG villains in existance. Sephiroth is always doing what he believes is right. Yes, he is insane to the point that he thinks that the right thing to do is to make himself a god, but it's still what he believes is right. He's not simply an insane villain. He's an insane villain who stands by his principles (however warped, twisted, insane, deluded, etc... they may be). I think this is a major point in his favor. Villains are all too often either insane to the point that they don't care what they're doing, or they are purposely being evil. Sephiroth is totally insane, but he does care about what he's doing. He's dishing out a heaping helping of Apocalyptic justice, and reclaiming his rightful place in the world as he's doing so. It's sad that he never learned who his real family was, or how he really came to be. He is a great character, in my humble opinion.
...Oh, yes, a couple things more. He dresses all in black, wears long white hair in such a way that it looks cool, and has a sword that can be used for pole-vaulting. Those (combined with my previous points) should be enough to firmly place him in the "RPG Villain Hall of Fame".
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I agree with the above poster on every count.
chaos: He isn't the best.
Ya know, I'm thinkig this makes since to me.Originally Posted by Trumpet Thief
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whoever thinks that sephiroth is not the greatest is not very observant on RPG games or have played other RPGs that noone else likes in my opinion sephiroth is the greatest i think my user name kinda gives that away although someone else stole plain sephiroth so i had to use my msn name.
and the quote i'm using as my sig is a quote from sephiroth that i found some where (I can't quite remember where).
sephiroth is one of the best thought out "villans" in an RPG ever mainly because he didn't go uncontrollably mental while trying to achive his goal.
kefka-I don't really know too much about him as i couldn't be bothered to buy FF6 for myself so i borrwed it and soon got bored of it but he seemed to be completly mental (as my mate who completeFF6 before i did told me everything and completly spoiled the ending for me)
sephiroth-always keeps saying about how he intends to free the planet and never goes completly mental and on top of that the fact that the sephiroth that you fight at the end of FFVII is only one of the 2 that where on the game makes you wonder what the one you didn't kill is doing.
seifer-Need i say anything
kuja-Was cool but went kinda insane after discovering that he was only a genome and he had aweaired dress sense what was with dressing like a woman.
seymour-*Ahum* Well you don't need to be told about seymour it was obvious when you found out that (SPOILER)he killed his father that he was a complete loony and only ever went on about how hewas goingto be the new sin got very annoying after the first 3times you heard him.
well there my views not sure what everyone else thinks but sephiroth is the best and in my opinon will be the best for years to come as well.
Vincent:- Dirge of Cerberus is kind of a mix between devil May Cry and Me.
*laughs like a madman*
Well... if you want the villain to be a nice dude who just wants to achive his goal, then I would rather pick Saturos from GS1. (SPOILER)he's more like a "villain" than Sephiroth, yet... his goal is to save his hometown and all his friends.
However... villains are SUPPOSED to be cruel bastards who you'll learn to hate.
I agree with TT and Dark_Paladin_Cecil. Sephiroth is just another "good" villain and far from being the "best" one.
Last edited by Ultima Shadow; 02-23-2005 at 01:03 PM.
I believe Sephiroth's strength of character came because he was the first (please correct me if I'm wrong) FF opponent, indeed one of the first video game opponents, that was not just 'Evil Because I AM Evil'. He had a humanity & reasons. He had a past, he actually had certain good points. You were able to see WHY he became your enemy. At one point, and this was a first for me, where I thought 'Poor Guy'.
Kefka was just an evil Shi because he he wanted to, therefore he didn't really stand out as a character & just became 'the evil guy you had to kill to complete the game'.
FFVII was the first to show that there isn't really 'an evil villain', George Bush should play this game actually, maybe he'd quote 'Evil-Dooers' a little less. People's views & actions get warped at a certain point in their lives that makes them do the unthinkable at times, there is no black & white, good & bad, evil & good. Life truely is not that simple, put the bible down & open your eyes.
Correction: Kefka wasn't just evil because he wanted to be evil. He was a failed experiment and he had his "reasons". And anyone who thinks Kefka didn't stand out as a character must have been asleep when he/she played trough FFVI... if he/she ever played it at all.
Also... there IS evil. But exactly WHAT that's evil may be more of a matter of opinion. However... in my opinion, war is evil, torture is evil, rape is evil and eggs are evil etc. Yes, eggs ARE evil... and hotogs. Hotdogs and eggs are very, VERY evil!!!
Also, if you read all that's said about him, (SPOILER)Zemus from FFIV had his own reasons for (SPOILER)possessing Golbez and wanting to wipe out humanity. He believed that Lunarians, who had come to "Earth" long ago but had left to allow humans to advance more, were the rightful rulers of "The Blue Planet". Therefore he possessed Golbez, because he had Lunarian blood in him and also because he was more "evil" than Cecil, and had him gather the Crystals and activate the Giant of Babil to wipe out humanity and such.
Don't get me started on how many vidoegame villians before Sephiroth as a whole weren't "Evil Because They ARE Evil".
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I don't care what happened even if he started as a good guy, I don't feel sorry for someone who wants to destroy the planet... it's really that simple.
Sephiroth wasn't that great in my opinion... I mean honestly, because he had a reason behind his actions he is the best villian. I don't agree with that. I mean, in that case the villian/villians in Tales of Symphonia were awesome because they all had their reasons too. I mean, everyone was doing what they thought was right in that game, and their ended up being THREE opposing groups. SO this whole, oh I feel bad for the guy cause he was tricked, thing isn't working for me.
Kefka, was definitely evil, and the thing was, he even knew he was evil. I mean honestly, how evil must you be to be able to wake up in the morning, being able to destroy any village or thing on the planet with this huge beam, and say, "Nope, not evil enough." HONESTLY PEOPLE!
THE JACKEL
Fine. So he's not the only villain to hold to their standards. But that only addresses part of the points I made. He is the only villain to have long white hair in a way that looks cool, wear all black, and have a sword that can be used for pole vaulting. Ha!
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No one here has been slighty objective, everybody who likes FFVI the most is goin' to say that Kefka is the best and vice versa with FFVII.
Actually, I like both of those and think that neither is the best villian ever.
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