How dare you be so sneaky
How dare you be so sneaky
Did I say kefka was the best? NO i don't think so. I was just stating that he is more evil than Sephiroth and personally a better villian. I actually do like the villians in Tales of Symphonia more, due to some of them fighting and knowing they're just trying to gain power, and others being manipulated and fighting with said person, thinking they're doing it for everyone...Originally Posted by Chris
THE JACKEL
*nods*
Boy am I an unfunny ass.
If TheAbominatrix were here, she would say that was a cop out answer. And she'd be right.
To make it clear, FF7 was the first FF I played, so I don't have a "First FF bias." I'm not sure hot that is relevant to the topic at hand, but I'm just using it as a disclaimer. So, going by your logic, seeing as how I like FF8 better than 7, I surely like Ultimecia better than I like Sephiroth? Not the case.
To be fair, I understand there's more to the Kefka vs. Sephiroth argument than the that. But to say that one can't possibly like FF6 better as a game and favor Sephy (and vice versa), is rubbish.
Do I think everyone is innocent of your accusation? No way. But it's still a generalisation. Personally, though I won't lie that I like FF6 better, I believe that Kefka is a better villain because I believe he's a better villain - it's that simple. I've given reasons in my first post as to why I think this way, and it seems that many people like Sephiroth more for the exact same reasons that I favor Kekfa (ie. Kekfa is evil without a cause, while Sephiroth believes he's being just). I have to admit that I never thought fans liked Seph for his lack of evilness, so I guess I learned something new today.
You also have to take into consideration that each villian is a major contributing factor to the players liking the game in the first place. Many fans like FF7 because they like Sephiroth, and the same can be said about Kefka and FF6. Although, I'd make the argument that there's much more in FF6 to keep the gamer happy in case they don't find the villain favorable.
I was merely stating things from how I seen them, it has been quite some time since I played VI, maybe 10 years so I deliberately stood myself to be corrected about Kefka being 'Evil because he WAS evil'. Maybe then I just didn't see it any.
As to the person complaining about there being no objectivity, isn't that what this whole post is about? YOUR opinion on a chacacter? It wouldn't work any other way. I seen it as someone who doesn't really like Sephiroth asking people and/or 'fanboys' why THEY do. I fail to see where Objectivity has a place here.
And lastly, to me, the word 'evil' to me is a cop out used to describe anything powerful that opposes you & you don't understand. It's a word coined by the bible a lot to describe anything opposing it. Hilter was 'Evil', Bin Laden is 'Evil', Stalin is 'Evil' etc etc. It's how we are able to pigeon-hole things & make our objectives easier on our conscience, 'We're killing these Germans to stop the Evil' or 'Killing these Iraqi's to stop the Evil'. So no Evil only exists because of our belief in it, there is only right choices & wrong choices, good Judgement & bad. If tested, you would have found that the most 'evil' of the world's populous were infact suffering from come sort of psychosis. Is a mentally ill person 'Evil'? I'll leave that up to your better judgement.
Kefka > Sephiroth on all levels. Come on.
(SPOILER)He killed almost everyone in a castle with poison, he betrayed his leader and killed his former general. He destroyed the entire world and wreaked havoc for over a year before he was finally stopped!
I'm sorry but I have to do this: LOL You call other people unobservant of RPG games and you don't even know anything about Kefka. Way to include yourself in your own insult.whoever thinks that sephiroth is not the greatest is not very observant on RPG games
Mr Thou! Mr Thou!
I guess your right. I was a little fast with my statement.
I wasn't trying to prove anything, and just in case it came off that way, I didn't mean to be harsh, and I had no ill feelings.
I'm only trying to express that there's no right or wrong when it comes to the subject of opinion, and no one should be prompted to justify their reasoning. Although, I guess that's kind of what forums are for. On the other hand, posters should want to express their opinions instead of being called on them.
EDIT: OMG Brigitte Nielson.
Yes, Sephiroth is the best villain ever. This does not mean he is the most evil villain ever. This goes to Kefka, with a couple FFT characters sharing second place. However, as a character, Sephiroth is far superior to Kefka. He has more depth to his story than virtually any villain, yet remains incredibly enigmatic. Was he evil, manipulated, or insane? I think most people would tend toward the third, although I feel that he is a fusion of all three elements. Sephiroth's story was complex and engrossing, and one can't but help feel some pity for what happened to him. The essence of it, really, depends more on Jenova than on Hojo. I've always felt the most loaded line of the game was Jenova's only one: "You are a puppet." While this finished Sephiroth's statement to Cloud at the end of the first disc, I like to think that it was directed at Sephiroth as well as Cloud. The insidious influence of those cells....who knows, we might not have had a story if Shinra had a bioethics division to crack down on Hojo.
Okay, ramblings aside, Sephiroth motives were at once completely lucid and totally opaque. He had a deeply involved and moving backstory, and a goal at once diabolical and understandable. He manipulated behind the scenes, yet may have been manipulated himself by two very different forces. Thus, in some ways, he mimics Shakespeare's Macbeth; you never can really decide how much of it was his fault.
Oh, yeah, and then there was that incident at the end of Disc One at the Water Altar. That might have had something to do with the "best villain" designation. Just a little bit.
They're all sexually attracted to him. Even the guys.
...Especially the guys.
Sephiroth, a tragic hero, perhaps?
"... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."
both Kefka and Sephiroth are madmen :chuckle: -- cool ones at that. every game has one of them
, these ppl who can't let go of their grudges :chuckle: and they need to be punished :chop: .
Last edited by Yuffie514; 03-03-2005 at 05:10 PM.
Sephiroth is the greatest villan in FF. Don't question this divine rank!
If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.
Sephiroth, the greatest villain EVAR? Clearly, none of you have played Suikoden II. Luca Blight even gives Kefka a run for his money.
ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
Luca does Kefka better than Kefka ever could, and Yuber does Sephiroth better than Sephiroth ever could
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