Kefka was the worst villain ever. His theme music sucked @$$. Now One Winged Angle is the best final boss music ever. I don't think anything could beat that. It is true that Kefka did succeed in destroying most of the world and turned himself into the focal point of all magic in the world and even had a cult worshiping him. And he had a 17 minute long boss theme song that was darn good for SNES. But Seph attacked you with calculus. How many villains attack you with math?
Why do hot dogs come in packs of ten but hot dog buns come in packs of eight?
Don't laugh at people's pain, laugh at their face.
Ah, math... the greatest evil of them all...
Raven, if someone with a different opinion was non-conformist, would someone with the same opinion be a mindless sheep/poser/jumping on the bandwagon/etc., by the same token?
And I don't think that Sephiroth was the best villain ever, but he was a darn good character. He had a great story, heck, FFVII had one of the best stories in a video game, but that really revolved mostly around Sephiroth. I think that if you trace it enough, Sephiroth's character and backstory could be considered as the element that made FFVII stand out from a lot of other RPG's.
And just a half-random thought, I think it'd be a cool idea if they did make a game where Sephiroth found out the truth about his parents, but after summoning Meteor or something, so you could play him, trying to stop it.
Or just a totally different story. I'd just like to play as Sephiroth.
Incorrect. He's a great villain and his theme music is great in every way.Originally Posted by Palindrome
Oh, and I agree with Dormos at most points.
I LIKE SHEEP!! YAY! SHEEPY SHEEPY SHEEPY!Raven, if someone with a different opinion was non-conformist, would someone with the same opinion be a mindless sheep/poser/jumping on the bandwagon/etc., by the same token?
And I wasnt calling everyone with a differant opinion a stupid person trying to be a non-conformist...just that guy I called a non-conformist.
If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.
I still don't belive that you've played most RPGs out there.
I liked FFVII more than FFVI, but Kefka is a much better villain than Sephiroth.
Kefka had the best villain theme music ever. It was so sinister sounding.
Also, Kefka definitely had a better laugh than Sephiroth...
Wopwopwopwopwop!!!
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I have no life and love RPGs, why is it so hard to believe?I still don't belive that you've played most RPGs out there.
If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.
Because you still think Sephiroth is the best. Clearly your horizons are not very broad
Especially the fact that one of the reasons you liked Sephiroth is because you think he's evil when he's, in fact, one of the nicest villains I've seen in an RPG so far.Because you still think Sephiroth is the best. Clearly your horizons are not very broad
Even thinking that you've played almost all RPGs just means that you "probably" don't know what an awful load of RPGs that actually exists. I've played "many" RPGs but not even half-way to being close to have played what could be considered almost all RPGs that exists. There's more of them than you think, really.
And the sad part is that some of the most genious RPGs are extremely underrated and not-so-well known.
I don't think that Sephiroth is a bad villain. Really. But I've seen MANY who are much better.
To me, the difference between Sephiroth and Kefka, when it comes to being 'vilians', is that Sephiroth wasn't much of a villian by what most people consider a villian to be.
Sephiroth did not do most of the 'evil things' he did in the game by his own free will and choice. If I smacked you across the face with a bat, does that make the bat evil, or me?
While I must agree that Kefka was a better villian when it comes to doing 'villainous stuff' but I think Sephiroth was better when it came to being a living, breathing, fleshed out character. He was a real person and a real human being- one many could actually sympathize with.
On the other hand, some could say that you could sympathize with Kefka as well. I see it on this level: If someone was forced to take part in an experiment that had negative effects on their sanity, and caused them to kill people without ryhme or reason, then, yeah, sure, you could feel bad for them. But I think your predominant concern would be to kill or subdue the crazy bastard who's killing other people.
Kefka was stark, raving mad and had no human motivations behind his truly evil actions. Before Sephiroth was taken over by Jenova, he had motivation behind most of his actions. (Though the (SPOILER)killings of Nibelheim could be considered a result in his loss of sanity before Jenova took over his mind. I'm not sure if Jenova was effecting Sephiroth at this time.)
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But how often do people want to sympathize with the villian in a game? I, for one, like a villian who has a lot of character and style, but still does stuff in the game that makes me think "Okay, you, you need to die". But maybe that's just me.
Boy am I an unfunny ass.
I completely agree. The problem with Golden Sun is that you actually like the villain more than the main character. In the end, you may actually feel bad for killing the villain (I did). And that's just... wrong. I love the Golden Sun serie, but it's missing something... a true villain. Really... there's none you could actually call "villain" in that game.
Before I say anything else about anything I have to ask...Ultima Shadow...what the hell is with you and Ruby wearing underwear?...that just weird and wrong.
If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.
Heh, true. Hence Kefka portraying the 'model villian' better than Sephiroth does, in my opinion. Sephiroth had a lot of character and style, but once you understand the whole plot, you may not want to kill him as much anymore because it is possible to sympathize with him (and because another villian has been shown to be the true initiator of all the 'evil actions'). But then again, I like Sephiroth a lot because I like games that make you look at who you are hunting down or trying to stop, and wonder how much they really deserved to be skewered atop a rather pointy stick.
Sure, Sephiroth did a lot of terrible deeds (The War of Wutai and Nibelheim), but other than those two instances, he's being used as Jenova's puppet. (Heck, the Wutai War is about orders given and objectives that need to be completed, not necessarily evil deeds. We don't know a lot about Sephiroth's actions during the war, and he was born to be a soldier his whole life anyway.) So my 'bat analoy' is the only way I can really think describe it. Is the bat evil, or me?
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