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I like to think of Sephiroth as a tragic hero, rather than the greatest villian. I'm not sure what the greatest villian would be, as I don't play loads of RPG games, just Final Fantasy and those others that hang outside it.

Tragic hero, I think, because he was born into his fate unwillingly - still considered a hero to many until he went insane. IMHO

[Raistlin]

All I'm hearing from DocFrance and Doom...dude (sorry, forgot your name) is nothing more than BLASHPHEMY!! IF YOU DO NOT THINK SEPHIROTH IS THE GREATEST VILLAN IN FF THEN YOU MUST BE EXILED TO THE FAR REACHES OF KNOWN SPACE! ....sorry..i just think you guys are wrong....<.<...>.>...

(I'm saying this a lot today) Oh...my...god...

Very funny DocFrance, but you just assume the reason that everyone likes Sephiroth is that he has a big sword. The reason I like him is because he is 1. Evil, 2. always so eeriely calm, and 3. he is one tough S.O.B., now ive played most every RPG out there and i have to say that Sephy takes the cake. You're just trying to be differant just to be one that does not conform, well doing what you want is not conforming to anyone but you. Does that help any?

1. How is he evil? You want to see pure evil, try Luca Blight or hell, even Kefka. Now, as Doomy and Doc said, Luca Blight(or Kefka) fanboys aren't much better than Sephiroth fanboys, but at least the former were actually evil. The reason I, personally, like Sephiroth is that he's a sympathetic villain. You're meant to feel pity towards him, if you actually have a freakin' clue what's going on during the game. You're also supposed to be somewhat in awe of him, not because of his "evilness," but because of his apparent limitless knowledge.

2. He's eerily calm because he's INSANE. He literally lost his mind. He doesn't bottle his emotions; he's just quite literally incapable of them. Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.

3. Tough S.O.B.? He's one of the eesiest bosses in any RPG ever.

You're just a fanboy who likes him because of his looks. Yes, Sephiroth is very much an "overrated prettyboy."

I'm just saying Luca's far better at playing the deranged lunatic than Kefka is. His, erm, brother-in-law was a better antagonist, in my opinion. So was the, uh, Masked Bishop.

Agreed. Luca's much better than Kefka. Luca, admittedly, is the best "pure evil" villain in any RPG. However, there are much better overall villains(especially from Lunar SSSC).

EDIT:

Because you still think Sephiroth is the best. Clearly your horizons are not very broad

Absolutely. Do yourself a favor and play Suikoden II and Lunar SSSC. Hell, and FFT.

[Luthien Rogue]

Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.

He was trying to convince Cloud that he wasn't the real Cloud. Telling him that he was a puppet and therefore has no emotions:

Sephiroth
"Ha, ha, ha...... Stop acting as if you were sad."
"There's no need to act as though you're angry either."

(He rises into the air, looking down at Cloud.)

Sephiroth
"Because, Cloud. You are..."

(He rockets, spinning, high up into the air. His body becomes a tiny green
sphere, which lands at Cloud's feet. The screen glows red. Cloud covers
his eyes.)

(Boss battle with Jenova-LIFE)

(The screen goes black.)

Jenova
"Because, you are...... a puppet."

Cloud
"I'm...... a puppet?"

Sadness not a plausible emotion? Sephiroth has felt sadness many times before. Like the time he found the notes in the mansion's basement. I'd say he was pretty upset, and angry...

Anyway, you people need to stop telling each other what to think. :P Explain why you like or dislike a certain character but don't tell someone that the don't like the right character or that their opinion is wrong. O_o That's just weird. o_O

[DocFrance]

Absolutely. Do yourself a favor and play Suikoden II and Lunar SSSC. Hell, and FFT.

I didn't know Hell was a RPG. Sounds pretty bitchin'.

[Monol]

[QUOTE=Doomgaze]READ: Aaron sucks.

Who!! harsh was that directed to me?

[Doomgaze]

Yes. I may not have even the foggiest idea who you are and have never seen a single post by you, but yes, I was referring to you.

[Raistlin]

He was trying to convince Cloud that he wasn't the real Cloud. Telling him that he was a puppet and therefore has no emotions:

No, he thought that Cloud was "created" the same way he thought that he, himself was, and therefore couldn't feel real emotions. I know what was said; I've played the games literally over a dozen times. Sephiroth viewed himself as incapable of sadness, and consequently thought Cloud was also incapable of such a display of emotions.

Sadness not a plausible emotion? Sephiroth has felt sadness many times before. Like the time he found the notes in the mansion's basement. I'd say he was pretty upset, and angry...

Anger is hardly sadness. You said "many times." Name one time in the game that Sephiroth was actually saddened. Psycopathic anger does not even remotely construe sadness. And notice also that after he consigned himself to Jenova, he stopped displaying even anger.

Anyway, you people need to stop telling each other what to think. :P Explain why you like or dislike a certain character but don't tell someone that the don't like the right character or that their opinion is wrong. O_o That's just weird. o_O

All opinions are not equal. Some opinions are based on logic and rational thought; others are based on fanboyish charms.

I didn't know Hell was a RPG. Sounds pretty bitchin'.

First off, I hate you. Secondly, it doesn't make sense - notice the comma after "Hell?"

EDIT: Doomy, now now, be nice. Newbies don't know that anybody at a message board of 8,000 or so members could have the same first name.

[Monol]

Yes. I may not have even the foggiest idea who you are and have never seen a single post by you, but yes, I was referring to you.

ohhh well when ya put it that way as long as i now know the truth.....my this world is so cruel...yet so beautiful *mexican music plays*

[Ultima Shadow]

Before I say anything else about anything I have to ask...Ultima Shadow...what the hell is with you and Ruby wearing underwear?...that just weird and wrong.

You have absolutely no good taste when it comes to sexy girls. Ruby is so HOT that she even lives in a desert.

[Luthien Rogue]

No, he thought that Cloud was "created" the same way he thought that he, himself was,

I know... I never said he didn't. O_o

and therefore couldn't feel real emotions. I know what was said; I've played the games literally over a dozen times. Sephiroth viewed himself as incapable of sadness, and consequently thought Cloud was also incapable of such a display of emotions.

But Sephiroth had felt sadness before. Sephiroth would've been in his late 20s to early 30s before going crazy. Are you telling me that he never felt sad during that time? It was AFTER the Nibelheim e that Sephiroth started to believe that he was incapable of those emotions.

Anger is hardly sadness. You said "many times." Name one time in the game that Sephiroth was actually saddened. Psycopathic anger does not even remotely construe sadness. And notice also that after he consigned himself to Jenova, he stopped displaying even anger.

I'm talking about BEFORE the the game.

Anyway, it depends on how you interpret things:

Sephiroth
"It's your first time back to your hometown in a long time,
right?"
"So how does it feel?"
"I wouldn't know because I don't have a hometown..."

I would say Sephy's being sympathetic, and during the last line is showing sadness.

All opinions are not equal. Some opinions are based on logic and rational thought; others are based on fanboyish charms.

Come on... telling someone they what character from a video game they should like? :P So they like a character 'cause he's a pretty boy? So? I think we will all survive. :P

[ravenzero2000]

You have absolutely no good taste when it comes to sexy girls. Ruby is so HOT that she even lives in a desert. a desert.

And I thought George Bush was stupid...that comment just creeps me out....i can see it now...Ruby with horribly mutated kids with Ultima Shadow..<shudder>

Absolutely. Do yourself a favor and play Suikoden II and Lunar SSSC. Hell, and FFT.

Okay, Suikoden II wasn't all that great and the storyline was weak with not so cool characters...Now Lunar SSSC, that freakin ruled. But it fails to produce a better villan than Sephiroth. And FFT just plain sucked.

You're just a fanboy who likes him because of his looks. Yes, Sephiroth is very much an "overrated prettyboy."

Really? Well hows about you actually think about what you say before you say it. Yes, I am a boy...and i like Sephiroth (not in that way that some perverted people are thinking of), but i do not like him for his looks. I mean cmon people, he is hands down just the greatest villan of all time and has the biggest fan base to prove it.

Just because I think he is a better villan than all the rest, doesnt make me a "fanboy".

[Ultima Shadow]

And I thought George Bush was stupid...that comment just creeps me out....i can see it now...Ruby with horribly mutated kids with Ultima Shadow..<shudder>

Bah, like I said... you've got a bad taste for girls! :rolleyes2 *searches the web for Ruby Weapon hentai.*

Okay, Suikoden II wasn't all that great and the storyline was weak with not so cool characters...Now Lunar SSSC, that freakin ruled. But it fails to produce a better villan than Sephiroth. And FFT just plain sucked.

Now, how should I put it? It seems like you've got a pretty... "different" RPG taste as well. But whatever...

I mean cmon people, he is hands down just the greatest villan of all time and has the biggest fan base to prove it.

Well, can you just tell me clearly once again... WHY is Sephiroth "the best"? You said he was "evil"... and this (and the stuff in the quote above) really makes me wonder if you actually pay attention to and really understands the story of the RPGs you play?

Like Raistlin said:
"1. How is he evil? You want to see pure evil, try Luca Blight or hell, even Kefka. Now, as Doomy and Doc said, Luca Blight(or Kefka) fanboys aren't much better than Sephiroth fanboys, but at least the former were actually evil. The reason I, personally, like Sephiroth is that he's a sympathetic villain. You're meant to feel pity towards him, if you actually have a freakin' clue what's going on during the game. You're also supposed to be somewhat in awe of him, not because of his "evilness," but because of his apparent limitless knowledge.

2. He's eerily calm because he's INSANE. He literally lost his mind. He doesn't bottle his emotions; he's just quite literally incapable of them. Remember when he tells Cloud "stop pretending that you're sad"? That's because he literally doesn't think sadness is a plausible emotion. Again, you're meant to pity him for that.

3. Tough S.O.B.? He's one of the eesiest bosses in any RPG ever."

Are you able to counter this, or can you, please, tell me some other reasons to "why" he's the best villain?

Edit: Sorry, ravenzero+numbers but I just wanted to ask you another thing... do you have any sense of humor?

[Erdrick Holmes]

What the hell? Flik and Viktor from Suikoden II were awesome. How can it have a weak story? It had the best one in the series.

[Destination0]

Sephiroth this...Sephiroth that...whatever...
he is one of the coolest character but not the best villain by any means...
lucka blight was nice...kefka was awesome...so was kuja...
moreover xenogears had whole collection of the best villains in one game...

[Erdrick Holmes]

I wouldn't call any of the antagonists in Xenogears villians (except for Miang) but you won't find out until the end of the game.