The last few posts were directly relating to plants. Before that I was talking briefly about animals. You mentioned euthenasia which I believe requires consent, which neither can give.
IOW, clarify pls.
The last few posts were directly relating to plants. Before that I was talking briefly about animals. You mentioned euthenasia which I believe requires consent, which neither can give.
IOW, clarify pls.
But yeah lets talk about the circle of life and sing the song so it'll stick to peoples heads!WE eat the plants and animals the plants will eat us when we die and the animals will eat the plants.the circle of *does a high note*liiiiiiiiiiiiiifffffffeeeeee1!!!!!!!
"What you still can't rationalise properly is that you are killing and eating what you kill. If you think killing things that can't feel pain is okay, let's just kill all the braindead hospitalised people on life support -- they're not feeling pain."
^ that.
There's a reason why, when people become unable to think, they are called "vegetables."
are you talking to me because I understand those things well heck I even said i understand it i just sang the freaking circle of life song dude.
Oh that, vegetables can't think (human dullards), so they can't give consent, so we can't kill them.Originally Posted by >>--heartshot--> ♥
If you think you can kill vegetables (plants) without guilt because they don't feel pain, we can kill humans who don't 'feel pain'. That's all.
HI THAT'S WHAT EUTHANASIA IS.
lordblazer, I honestly can't understand what you're saying, so I think I'm going to start ignoring you.
I thought euthanasia was killing somebody who consented to it, but can't do it in his/her free power. Killing a vegetable without consent is murder.
Well, a vegetable is not in any way able to give consent, so I think it has something to do with the family, like if the family of the vegetable agrees then they kill them? (Sorry, I'm an English major, I don't know.)
THE CIRCLE OOFFF LLLIIIFE*HITS A HIGH e NOTE*LIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFEE
but seriously come on and think rationally.If we dont eat period we die.
"I know plants are just as cautious and self aware of themselves as animals are it irritates me when some stupid veggiterian says that they aren't aware and it isn't the same thing."
Where's your evidence?
"note humans need to eat both meat and vegetables in order to survive.The only reason why veggies can stay pretty much healthy is because of a thing called protein pills."
You are so very wrong. Vegetarians don't have to take protein pills.
"If morality is only a nuerological condition, then we have no reason to obey it. EVER."
That doesn't make sense. I believe my emotions are just chemical reactions. Does that mean I love my family any less? Of course not. I believe morality is just a result of how I feel about society etc... not a result of soul or whatever. Does that make it any less wrong to me? No!
"Oh, and there is no such thing as seperate but equal. That's been proven every time it's come up."
No, it's just been restated again and again.
"If you think killing things that can't feel pain is okay, let's just kill all the braindead hospitalised people on life support -- they're not feeling pain."
That's not limiting the suffering, now it is? It would upset families. Besides, we're talking about food sources, so this is a bit ridiculously, huh?
"Or if we're killing some plants but not killing them indescriminantly, then you're just doing whatever you want to further the human race, and that now justifies eating meat."
No, see, the second part is wrong for the reason you JUST SAID. Justifying eating meat would not happen because causing pain is wrong.
"but then I can still blow up buildings and make people lose jobs because in the end of the day animals have more rights than humans."
Argh, can you stop putting words in my mouth?? When did I say that was ok?
"I knwo certain plants have protein but we need other things that meat can provide for us like fat."
No we don't. No. NO. We can live perfectly healthily without meat. I know many vegans. I have talked to doctors. I'm majoring in health sciences. Please accept you're wrong.
"I did a project on ratehr plants are aware of there surroundings."
So what? That doesn't mean they're aware and can feel pain. It means they have light-sensitive cells that control their direction of growth.
I will summarize. again.
Eating meat is wrong, because we don't need to, and it causes pain. Eating plants is ok, because we have to eat something, and they don't feel pain, and aren't aware, can't feel, etc (braindead people usually have at least SOME sort of awareness, or they'd be dead). it's not ok to destroy all plants because plants do good things, and it's wrong to destroy ANYTHING more than you need to.
Um...nobody's saying anything about not eating period. We're arguing about condoning the suffering of animals by eating them for hedonistic pleasure.
Umm... ok, saying I'm not just an animal won't necessarily make it right. But if I AM just an animal, then my eating other animals is perfectly fine. And don't go into that "we know better" crap. Animals CAN'T know better, it's not in their nature. And if we're only animals, then it can't be in our nature, either. If we're on equal footing to animals, we're held to equal requirements and morality as animals. And those are: nothing.
Oh, and Aeris, I wasn't talking about in this thread, I was talking about in the real world. Every attempt at seperate but equal has FAILED, without exception. We have enough difficulty maintaining equality even if things aren't seperate.
And, if you believe all these things are just biochemistry, then I ask you this: why does pain matter? If it all lacks higher purpose, then pain is as transient as ideals and life and dirt and forgotten web pages. Nothing matters, therefor, this does not matter and we're all just spinning our wheels on issues that are, and always shall be lies.
So it's safe to assume you eat one meal a day? And don't live in a house in the city, or drive a car? Or do anything else that isn't a compelte necessity for survival?
Euthanasia is not killing something that can't feel. It's killing something that can't live, or survive as normal. It's not eating a friggen salad.
"Good thing that PETA hasn't killed any human beings then, isn't it?"
It's only a matter of time.
"But if I AM just an animal, then my eating other animals is perfectly fine. And don't go into that "we know better" crap. Animals CAN'T know better, it's not in their nature."
For christ's sake, OTHER animals don't know better, but we do, because we're more intelligent. How is this hard to grasp? Animals differ in many ways. Cheetehs are fast runner, squirrels can climb, fish can swim, and humans are smart. It doesn't make any of them not animals just because they possess a trait or act in a different way than other animals.
And I already said that animals do have some morality. Are you just not reading my posts at all now?
"So it's safe to assume you eat one meal a day? And don't live in a house in the city, or drive a car? Or do anything else that isn't a compelte necessity for survival?"
Within reason. Expecting me to live in a hole is not reasonable. Hence why the saying is limiting the suffering and not no suffering whatsoever.
I will say this though, that is probably the best counter argument so far. Good job.
MecaKane, the point is that it's easy to stop eating meat, and it does make a difference, whereas it's not so easy to go live off in the wild when we've grown so accustomed to living otherwise that we're not likely to survive outside of the comfort of our safe little lives.
udsuna, just because you're incapable of morality don't say every other person is too. I'm an animal and I don't eat other animals because I know it's wrong. You're getting extremely irritating with this repeating the same nonsensical point over and over.
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