The final battle

[Sir Bahamut]

Future Esthar, the problem with your speculation is that it's just that: unfounded speculation.

On the same basis, I could argue that Irvine is in fact Ultimecia. It's simple enough really. He was in fact a woman trapped in a mans body(his obsession with women isn't 'cause he's attracted to them), something which slowly drove him insane. He then kills Rinoa and takes her powers, which he then uses to transform himself into Ultimecia. He then goes completely bonkers and decides to compress time so that he can be a female sexgoddess for all eternity.

The theory I just presented has as much factual basis as your own theory.
So really, unless you actually back your theory up and refute the arguments Squall of SeeD used, your theory has as much validity as Irvine=Ultimecia.

By the way, Squall of SeeD disproved your theory with the fact that Ultimecia CAN'T be possessing Edea after disc 2, because Ultimecia can only possess sorceresses, and Edea lost all her powers at the end of disc 2. You conveniently ignored that bit though...

[Future Esthar]

To SeedRankLow
1)Ok,that´s right,I didn´t explain me well.Ultimecia used Edea to convince Squall to accept Odine´s condition´s (study Rinoa to let him see Ellone).
So Odine sent her to Space to let Piet take care of her (and Ulti take the chance to possess her).It was a way to force Squall to let Rinoa to Space.
Ultimecia´s true objective is to rule Esthar through Adel.(It doesn´t matter Galbadia or Centra,or the rest of the world.They were just used to fulfill her plans).
2)As I said,you will understand someday.(Think by yourself).
3)And I was under the impression that the magic used here was similar to the one she uses on Rinoa in the first disc in the Sorceress Room.

Edea was weak after her fight with the SeeDs, and nothing that Edea did during disc 3 in any way would have aided Ultimecia, so I can't see how she was possibly still possessed. Not to mention, if she was still possessed I don't think she would have given the scoop about her master plan to Squall and company.

Of course she would give the plan because that plan is a lie.It was given by X to protect his/her own plans.That is why X wanna to use Edea.It will not benefit Ultimecia but will protect the thruth.

By the way, Squall of SeeD disproved your theory with the fact that Ultimecia CAN'T be possessing Edea after disc 2, because Ultimecia can only possess sorceresses, and Edea lost all her powers at the end of disc 2. You conveniently ignored that bit though...

Another lie to protect the thruth.It was Edea who said that(and even as a researcher Odine can be deceived by Ultimecia as well).But if we assume Edea (still possessed by Ultimecia) lies then the assumption enables (didn´t guarantee,just enable) itself because maybe a sorceress don´t need sorceress powers to become a sorceress.
And I don´t really believe that a sorceress can pass her powers to others.In fact is the receiver who DRAWS it from the sender.
In that matter I don´t see why Quistis and Selphie couldn´t be considered sorceresses as well.

And Bahamut, if a theory concerning a story is not contradicted by the latter and has internal consistency then it is equaly valid (everything is thruth until it is refuted-Popper´s law).
It doesn´t matter if you don´t have proofs.This is a story,not a real event so proof´s can´t be found (with little exceptions).

[Sir Bahamut]

Another lie to protect the thruth.It was Edea who said that(and even as a researcher Odine can be deceived by Ultimecia as well).

Well, there's as much reason to believe this as there is to believe that Cid likes to dress up in womens clothes in his spare time. But I see it's been futile of me(and Squall) to try and get this across. Oh well.

But if we assume Edea (still possessed by Ultimecia) lies then the assumption enables (didn´t guarantee,just enable) itself because maybe a sorceress don´t need sorceress powers to become a sorceress.

Uh? A sorceress doesn't need sorceress powers to be a sorceress? Sorry, but that's a ridiculous statement. If you don't need powers to be a sorceress, we might as well EVERYONE in the game sorceresses. That's just silly. Of course you need sorceress powers to be a sorceress.

And I don´t really believe that a sorceress can pass her powers to others.In fact is the receiver who DRAWS it from the sender.

And I believe Rinoa is a man. Same justification, same plausibility.

In that matter I don´t see why Quistis and Selphie couldn´t be considered sorceresses as well.

Are you serious? Well, assuming you are in fact serious, this brings up a gaping plothole. If everyone without powers were also sorceresses, then Ultimecia should be able to posess anyone she wants to. YEt that is clearly not the case.

But really, I'm starting to see this is pointless.

And Bahamut, if a theory concerning a story is not contradicted by the latter and has internal consistency then it is equaly valid (everything is thruth until it is refuted-Popper´s law).
It doesn´t matter if you don´t have proofs.This is a story,not a real event so proof´s can´t be found (with little exceptions).

You're right, no 'proof's can be found, but a level of plausibility can still be established. And your theory has the same amount of plausibility as the Irvine=Ultimecia theory I presented. So I guess you think that the Irvine=Ultimecia theory is just as plausible as the Squall=Lagunas son thing?

If you can honestly say you consider those to be equally 'valid', then I'll stop all arguments. Oh, one more thing:

2)As I said,you will understand someday.(Think by yourself).

Sorry, but we won't understand someday'. Everyone but yourself can see how flawed and unplausible your theory is, so I think you'll be the one who understands someday. And really, what kind of a way is that to dodge arguing for your theory.

"No, I don't want to give any arguments based on ingame facts. Just trust me, and you'll get it one day though". Please.

[Future Esthar]

First:X don´t need to possess a sorceress he can possess any person with little memory(and so,little resistance to the possession).
Second:
Real definition of sorceress-Female Propagators that comes from the moon and ruled there over monsters.
They come to the Earth and brings the other inhabitants of the moon (monsters) with them.The male Propagators,knights,come with them.
There are many propagators,the white seeds,which come but the ones ruling over the moon were the real Seed´s.
Due to various circumstances they need to go to the Earth and takes a human form.
Reaching here they forms a monarchy and made their castle somewhere.People showed respect for them and they became kings of Centra.
The first propagators were Seifer(knight) and Edea(Sorceres).
The legend goes that the dinasty of Propagators will be formed by eight persons (4 generations) and this ones can become one entity with some magic.
It was then that many natural catastrophes happened caused by the lunar cry and the city of Centra was wiped out.Edea became the evil Sorceress Ultimecia and looks for the ch

[Shrub]

what does ultimecia look like and what does she look(SPOILER) like fused with grieveer

[BackRoomKid]

this is what i have to say about this....

"...and"

[Masamune·1600]

Future Esthar, allow me to quote Titinius from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar: "Alas, thou hast misconstrued everything."

You're obviously not being serious. Regardless of any in-game conspiracy theories you might hold, I stumbled across this while perusing the thread.

Real definition of sorceress-Female Propagators that comes from the moon and ruled there over monsters.
They come to the Earth and brings the other inhabitants of the moon (monsters) with them.The male Propagators,knights,come with them.
There are many propagators,the white seeds,which come but the ones ruling over the moon were the real Seed´s.
Due to various circumstances they need to go to the Earth and takes a human form.
Reaching here they forms a monarchy and made their castle somewhere.People showed respect for them and they became kings of Centra.
The first propagators were Seifer(knight) and Edea(Sorceres).

It's perfectly fine to debate creative theories, so long as you have something, anything, to back up your claims. However, the above conjectures are not based on any dialogue, appearance, or theme in the game. They also completely defy logic.

If the tone of this post sounds faintly belligerent, I apologize. However, I would point out that there are people who read these threads who are uncertain as to the actual dynamics of the plot. Usually, when someone initiates a rumor, it's clear that he or she doesn't take it seriously. There is nothing to suggest that in your posts, so I would request, if you do this in the "future", simply that you note that these are your own ideas, and are by no means associated with Final Fantasy VIII canon.

[rubah]

Real definition of sorceress-Female Propagators that comes from the moon and ruled there over monsters.

Wow. That's funny^_^

And here I was thinking that propogators were just malicious space beings that invaded a derelict rocketship.

If they were sorceresses, how come none of them were in league with ultimecia at her castle?

[Squall of SeeD]

I beg you not to provoke him, rubah. Rhetorical question or not, you know it's going to get a response.

[rubah]

But it can be so much fun

[Del Murder]

'...and stop linking me to that filrt Rinoa'

[Delta]

"And" is signal for an instant death timer or so my friend tell's me.

He said that he was fighting her and then she said "And" and after a couple of minutes (where he still hadn't killed her weak fool) she used "Apocylpse" which killed him instanly.

She used apoclypse on me before and I didn't need to wait for "And" and it didn't kill me either.

So anyway I think it's just a signal that she's about to die.