"Abusing" the swear filter

[Psychotic]

It doesn't matter, if someone posts porn, unless there isn't a shadow of a reasonable doubt that it was accident, someone on staff would do their job. I may not have a lot of faith left in today's staff, but I'll give them that much.

Well, theoretically everyone should be banned when porn is posted, whether it was accidental or not. This is due to the precedent of the Peter situation. However, I firmly believe that had someone more popular/well-known/whatever you want to call it than Peter had posted that originally, the outcome in that situation (pre-precedent) would have been different, and so do many others, hence the "annoying sigs" as you have indirectly referred to them as. You fit that description, in my personal opinion, hence why you would have been used in an example for such a situation, until you had expressed your concerns about being used in such a way.

[Endless]

So far, I carefully avoided to reply to that thread, thinking that maybe I should suggest in a new thread we rename this forum into the "feedback & drama" forum, since it's what it looks like happens on a fairly regular basis. Let me detail: in my opinion, there are two sides to this coin, one is the impression the Staff gives, which has been debated by BoB, Bleys, Unne, etc.. to which there isn't much to add, and the other, of which I think Bleys is touching the surface, is the attitude of (some) members. I remember the complaints because Bleys could post his crotch, because he could play pranks (Lesbian Seagull, the old pirate), and members couldn't (more on that later, let's note that item a), and later on, when, while I was a mod, I started the "kick that thread" here. I think it lasted a good, hmm, three days before some members complained about us kicking a closed thread around for fun (that's item b).
So, about a) I think, retrospectively, what pissed off the members at that time is that none had the guts to try and pull that kind of prank, because it requires to *gasp* prepare it a little with a few select staffers/members.
This brings us to b), there's a long running problem (it was there when I was a mod) with the members of EoFF not tolerating the fact that Staff can have fun too.

Oh, Unne, about that thread you quoted, here's a suggestion: when people start to go the cussing way, why not warn the thread (as in, "cut down the cussing or this thread gets the axe"), because it leads to the individual getting the thread closed losing all support/be ignored/banned with the other people's approval.

[MecaKane]

Well, theoretically everyone should be banned when porn is posted, whether it was accidental or not. This is due to the precedent of the Peter situation. However, I firmly believe that had someone more popular/well-known/whatever you want to call it than Peter had posted that originally, the outcome in that situation (pre-precedent) would have been different, and so do many others, hence the "annoying sigs" as you have indirectly referred to them as. You fit that description, in my personal opinion, hence why you would have been used in an example for such a situation, until you had expressed your concerns about being used in such a way.

Why don't you just use yourself as an example? As you posted something that was as inappropriate as a 60x60 .gif or a body part made of snow, and nothing was done about it. Or how 'bout Bert? Oh but you guys aren't exactly 'staff pets' so it'd just poke one giant hole in your theory.

Although I do agree that there shouldn't really be a case-by-case with porn, the cases aren't as stacked aganist you as you'd like to tell people.

[Psychotic]

Why don't you just use yourself as an example? As you posted something that was as inappropriate as a 60x60 .gif or a body part made of snow, and nothing was done about it. Or how 'bout Bert? Oh but you guys aren't exactly 'staff pets' so it'd just poke one giant hole in your theory.

Because only you made a fuss about it Kane, and it's pretty obvious you were doing it because you don't like me as no-one else was upset or warned the post. I posted nothing wrong, which is why the staff did nothing about it...I don't think Flying Mullet's quote was removed either.

As for Bert, he is a well-known member and posted his image deliberately but not so as to cause offence, and I, like others, cited his example as to reasons why Peter being banned was unfair.

[Loony BoB]

Wow, this thread changed topic damned fast. =P I think I might have been the Staffer Psy talked to in the past and I was just saying my opinion. Anything I said would have been personalised speculation since I've never been in the situation of that happening.

[Raistlin]

*skims through the last 4948059783405 posts*

eest: I <3 you

In response to the entire Bleys-BoB discussion:

Bleys: I agree with you, for the most part, just not to that degree. However, look at my past threads here, and other threads that I've had a discussion here. I've been cussed out and insulted by staff(not naming names, as per my policy in a public conversation) on several occasions, but have yet to do anything remotely like that to any staffer. For two examples(in the same thread, even!), check past private LJ entries.

BoB: I know, from past experiences/discussions, that staff here discusses a lot of things. However, that needs to show in the forums themselves, and it often doesn't. Remember my LJ entry way-back-when that got 100+ replies(it was when someone was banned for something that a past offender had gotten off for, or something like that)? That's a natural result of staff not showing how much they privately discuss issues in staff.
Ideas in Feedback nowadays seem to get dismissed out-of-hand. Again, a result of staff placing personal preference above the board's interest. When a staff member posts saying, "This doesn't matter; why are you posting this?" it reflects back on the staff in general.

The biggest thing the staff here needs is a healthy dose of professionalism. Spamming up closed threads when regular members would be warned for spamming up a thread about to be closed? That's something simple that reflects badly back upon the entire staff. Staff members can still play "pranks"(changing everyone to ed's technicolor nightmare) and such that everyone can enjoy, but when they start breaking the rules of the forum for their own enjoyment, that reflects badly back upon the staff in general.
Also, in Feedback threads, there is a definite need for a more professional attitude. Yes, Shlup, I'm being a bad girlfriend here, but the Kane's sig thread resulted me in making a very nasty LJ entry - however, I didn't post anything bad here. You can cuss us out all you want to in the staff forum or wherever, but on the boards we, as members bringing something to your attention, expect a little courtesy and professionalism from such an esteemed staff. EoFF has the best staff of any larger board I've ever been to, and it depresses me to see stupid things like this put a very bad image on the staff as a whole.

Oh, and about the porn thing: BoB once told me that he'd ban his own grandmother if she was a member here and broke the rules. I think that pretty much sums it up.

...are we still talking about the swear filter, or has that issue been covered? xD

[Dr Unne]

[qq=Raist]The biggest thing the staff here needs is a healthy dose of professionalism.[/qq]

*steals your staff* *dances a merry jig*

[RSL]

I agree with your comment on professionalism. I'm going to try and improve in that area.

[eestlinc]

So, about a) I think, retrospectively, what pissed off the members at that time is that none had the guts to try and pull that kind of prank, because it requires to *gasp* prepare it a little with a few select staffers/members.

*whistle*

This brings us to b), there's a long running problem (it was there when I was a mod) with the members of EoFF not tolerating the fact that Staff can have fun too.

maybe I think swearing is fun but I still can't break the rules.

[Loony BoB]

Staff spam a lot less than other members here, including our posts in closed threads. We just happen to be able to post in closed threads, so that means we're able to post either on-topic or off-topic stuff. Anyway, it's not against the rules to post in closed threads. You guys just can't.

I seriously don't think that us having our bit of fun is going to hurt anyone. Like I said before - perks of the job. If I had to give up my right to use my admin/mod powers for personal enjoyment, I'd probably give up being an admin. I don't want to end up getting all stress and no play.

[Shlup]

Unne, quit using that avatar! Confusing the hell outta me...

And I guess I will try harder to be more professional. ;_;

And, yes, Raist, the swearing issue was covered before this thread was made, whether you choose to believe it or not, you spoon. I mean... sir.

[Raistlin]

Staff spam a lot less than other members here, including our posts in closed threads. We just happen to be able to post in closed threads, so that means we're able to post either on-topic or off-topic stuff. Anyway, it's not against the rules to post in closed threads. You guys just can't.

I seriously don't think that us having our bit of fun is going to hurt anyone. Like I said before - perks of the job. If I had to give up my right to use my admin/mod powers for personal enjoyment, I'd probably give up being an admin. I don't want to end up getting all stress and no play.

I said Staff can have fun! I actually encourage it, because it's...well, fun! However, our point is that they(you) don't have to break the rules to do it. Changing everyone's style set, messing around with the banner, randomly spamming/banning/editting profiles(i.e., the Bleys vs. Unne days) are all great. But spamming closed threads and flaming? Those can cross the line.
However, I agree that some members need to lay off - as they can have fun too. How about that huge spam thread in GC a while ago? Or hell, our recent attempt to fill the first page of General SE into all Xenogears threads, where 3/4 of the threads(read: "all those not posted by Doomy") were pure spam? That wasn't given staff-approval, it just happened, and it was fun.

The thing is: Staff is expected to set an example - both an example for how to have fun, and an example on how to follow the rules. I'm sure people as intelligent as you all(well, excluding Shlup, of course) can figure out how to draw a line between the two.

You reference to "perks" also irritates me. Staffing isn't a privilige - it's a responsibility. You're expected to uphold to certain standards, which should be much higher than those for regular members. I can tolerate a helluva lot more from regular members than I can from staffers. DocFrance(he needs to post here >=o) will know what I'm talking about. xD

*steals your staff* *dances a merry jig*

I agree with your comment on professionalism. I'm going to try and improve in that area.

I don't think anyone has any complaints about you, Red Sexy.

And I guess I will try harder to be more professional. ;_;

That's been my biggest complaint about you for quite a while now. If you improve, I might have to actually start liking you. :rolleyes2


Also, what the hell's up with the male staff members using female avatars? xD

[RSL]

I don't think anyone has any complaints about you, Red Sexy.

I doubt that.

[Shlup]

This is me showing restraint for the sake of professionalism.

...

*explodes*

I don't know if I agree that staffing is such a big "responsibility," which may be where problems (with me) stem from. I just don't think its a big flippin' deal either way. I don't get paid enough to force myself to be uptight. I'll try to behave better for the sake of other's comfort levels though... asshole.

[Del Murder]

Oh well, at least you tried.