"Abusing" the swear filter

[Shlup]

It probably reminds you of that because that scene is the entire reason I suggested that change. Muahaha.

[edczxcvbnm]

Excellent!

[Jojee]

I just saw that! That was great Smurf you <3

[Citizen Bleys]

Okay, well its also at least three or four for it, and those three or for can and will ban anyone who "protests" inapporpriately.

Aye, and what is and is not "appropriate" gets decided after the fact by any staffer with a bone to pick.

[Loony BoB]

After what fact? *even more confused*

[edczxcvbnm]

You are confused Loony BoB...so very very confused. I agree with Bleys.

[Loony BoB]

I agree that we get to decide what is and isn't appropriate, if that's what he meant. edcwhtvr is righ. I am so very very confused. ;_;

[Shlup]

I'm seeing that he's trying to imply that we're likely to come down hard on someone who is doing something that would normally be fine because we don't like them. Nice.

What crawled up your butt and died lately, Bleys? Seems like all your comments Feedback lately have been awfully... bitter.

[Raistlin]

waaaay too many new posts for me to look over in the amount of time I have, so if I miss something important, forgive me.

I edit out swear words in the FF forums all the time. I even edit out things like "i think tidus is GAY cuz he looks GAY OMG GAY!" because it's offensive and immature. So it's not just one mod doing it.

I agree 100% with that. That's not merely "getting around the swear filter," it's a legitimate threat to the board's maturity. Plus it's just downright rude. I'd edit that out, too.

We're LAZY. That's all. But it still seems like you're voicing your personal preferences. We have rules in place that are based on discussions we have in staff and anything you see done is done in accordance to our rules. It seems to be your personal preference that we stop editing out such words.

There's a distinct difference between personal preference and what I consider to be best for the board. My personal preference is that the swear filter be removed entirely. However, I accept that, under the circumstances, that the filter is beneficial to the board. However, I feel that the draconian enforcement of the unnecessary filter(unnecessary due to the fact that if it weren't for Google, only the f-word would be filtered) is detrimental.

Plus, if we're going with the "it only bothers a couple of people" reason... I only see a couple of people complaining about swears being edited.

I only see a couple of people that would complain about the swears being uneditted. The amount of people to complain whether or not something happens is immaterial to the effect it has on the board itself and the atmosphere.
Plus, if I make a public LJ entry and link people to here, I could get a helluva lot more than "a couple" of people that agree with me.

Yeah. So far the "Ban Raistlin" option is... I don't know how to spell that word. Unanamous? That's not right. Damn. This was almost funny too.

I almost laughed out loud upon reading that. xD

Your posts aren't being censored unless a staff member deems that your swearing is indeed "too much" or "vulgar."

All I'm asking is that "shit"(yes I'm "getting around" the filter here to make a point) in the middle of an otherwise perfectly fine post not be considered "vulgar." Everything outside the f-word, even according to the Forum Rules, is fine unless the usage is excessive.

Technically, the rules say the staff has the right to edit every post on the board into a declaration of homosexuality. That doesn't make it right.

Exactly.

Thanks for saying something totally irrelevant.

Bleys's point was perfectly relevent. It states that Staff(*ducks BooB*) shouldn't act out of personal preference - just because they can do it.

I agree that we get to decide what is and isn't appropriate, if that's what he meant. edcwhtvr is righ. I am so very very confused. ;_;

Yes, Staff decides what is and isn't appropriate - but that should be on a case by case basis. Editting out of swear just because it's a swear is not only obsessive, but also against Forum Rules as Proto(I think) posted.

EDIT:

I'm seeing that he's trying to imply that we're likely to come down hard on someone who is doing something that would normally be fine because we don't like them. Nice.

No, he's merely pointing out that Staff in general seems to have a habit of making up rules to justify past actions - which would have normally been fine. Remember Kane's sig?
Whether I agree with him or not based on one incident, I really can't say. But the point is somewhat justified.

[edczxcvbnm]

Know what I hate. Mods and Admins posting in closed threads to add their two cents to the whole situation. You want to say something more? Why can't I? I thought the thread was closed because 'this discussion is over' and yet it continues on an unfair advantage of power abuse(although unbelievably minor).

[Loony BoB]

Raist: I guess you'll just have to live with the rule staying in place. We did discuss all of this but we came to a conclusion. Sorry to disappoint! *pat* (This thread got boring so I thought I'd finish up).

Also, I capitalise Staff, it's Shlup you need to duck from.

Know what I hate. Mods and Admins posting in closed threads to add their two cents to the whole situation. You want to say something more? Why can't I? I thought the thread was closed because 'this discussion is over' and yet it continues on an unfair advantage of power abuse(although unbelievably minor).

Perks of the job.

[edczxcvbnm]

Bart: "Sez you, woman." XD

[Shlup]

There's a distinct difference between personal preference and what I consider to be best for the board. My personal preference is that the swear filter be removed entirely. However, I accept that, under the circumstances, that the filter is beneficial to the board. However, I feel that the draconian enforcement of the unnecessary filter(unnecessary due to the fact that if it weren't for Google, only the f-word would be filtered) is detrimental.

I don't think the inforcement is "draconian" (I still refuse to believe that's a real word). How many staff members just edit out a swear word as soon as they see it? Leeza did, at one point. Unne did, but has been worn down by the system. I don't think anyone else does. I know I don't. I will enforce it if I think the particular use is inappropriate, as will any other staff member, but you yourself, I believe, said its fine if the swear is over used or misused.

I only see a couple of people that would complain about the swears being uneditted. The amount of people to complain whether or not something happens is immaterial to the effect it has on the board itself and the atmosphere.
Plus, if I make a public LJ entry and link people to here, I could get a helluva lot more than "a couple" of people that agree with me.

Well we just have different opinions on how this travesty, which I'm becoming more and more convinced does not actually exist, affects the atmosphere of the board. You think we're being to harsh on the swear filter, I think we're being just fine. And we both know my opinion is always the right one.

I almost laughed out loud upon reading that. xD

Its not nice to laugh at the special kids.

All I'm asking is that "shit"(yes I'm "getting around" the filter here to make a point) in the middle of an otherwise perfectly fine post not be considered "vulgar." Everything outside the f-word, even according to the Forum Rules, is fine unless the usage is excessive.

I go around the swear filter too sometimes. Who cares? Who here is saying you can't swear at all, ever? Unne thinks you shouldn't, but he's taken to just sitting back in his rocker and silenty shaking his cane. We only edit them if we find them excessive or used inappropriately. If you think our definitions of "excessive" and "inappropriate" may vary, you're right. We're human. We don't have a hotline we can call where an operator goes through the adjective and verb contents of the post to determine what percentage of appropriate each curse word may be. Want us to employ one? Too bad!

Bleys's point was perfectly relevent. It states that Staff(*ducks BooB*) shouldn't act out of personal preference - just because they can do it.

We base these decisions on what we feel is the best way to handle a situation. Like I said, we don't have some hotline to call. Suggesting that we should somehow manage to be of one mind (your mind, I'm assuming) or make a discussion thread so we can discuss the existance of each swear in each post before acting is... making me want to hurt you.

Yes, Staff decides what is and isn't appropriate - but that should be on a case by case basis. Editting out of swear just because it's a swear is not only obsessive, but also against Forum Rules as Proto(I think) posted.

There is a "case by case" basis for just about everything, especially swearing. If you honestly think we've decided there's some rule where we must get rid of all swearing, you're just plain wrong. If you think you're seeing this happening, you're seeing something that isn't there. I know its not there because I see swearing occassionally myself and usually pass it by. I rarely see anyone go and snip it out.

No, he's merely pointing out that Staff in general seems to have a habit of making up rules to justify past actions - which would have normally been fine. Remember Kane's sig?
Whether I agree with him or not based on one incident, I really can't say. But the point is somewhat justified.

You said the same thing I said, but, yes I remember Kane's sig. Kane's sig was removed because of lack of knowledge on the part of a couple of moderators, and removed perminantly because he reacted inappropriately to that. And if I hear one more person say that the entire staff should apologise or something after being attacked like that over a mistake due to lack of knowledge of one or two people, I'm gonna... make things pink or something.

Know what I hate. Mods and Admins posting in closed threads to add their two cents to the whole situation. You want to say something more? Why can't I? I thought the thread was closed because 'this discussion is over' and yet it continues on an unfair advantage of power abuse(although unbelievably minor).

That bugs me too, actually. You can make another topic on it if you want. *shrug*

[edczxcvbnm]

Maybe I will make a topic about it later on. It has been bugging forever but it is just so minor but because this is the "bitch about what you don't like about the forum or staff" forum, I just might. XD

[Citizen Bleys]

What crawled up your butt and died lately, Bleys?

This did:

Technically, the rules say the staff has the right to edit every post on the board into a declaration of homosexuality. That doesn't make it right.

Thanks for saying something totally irrelevant.

I'm not exactly very fond of seeing a staff that once meant so much to me degenerate into a group to whom morality is considered "totally irrelevant."