Help on Omega Weapon

[Braindead_Paul]

Edit: Oh, and for those who belive that Omega Weapon is harder than Ultima Weapon... check out this: http://www.eyesonff.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53904 and read my LONG post!!!

Omega IS harder than Ultima! :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2

Omega => Lv.5 Death => all characters died => needed a second try => victory
Ultima => one try => victory
==> Omega harder than Ultima

It's that simple!

[Sepho]

Well, it's not completely true. Defend negates all "pshycical" attacks, not magical. Terra break, however... IS a psycical attack... but Megido Flame and Lightpillar are not.

Ah, that's what I meant to say. Thanks for the heads up.

As for the Ultima vs. Omega (which one is harder?) argument, I'd say it can be either one depending on the circumstances and the party.

I believe the majority of parties that encounter both will walk right over Ultima and, well, not, when they encounter Omega. But that's assuming that you have a full, three-character, properly-junctioned party.

An example of a cirumstance under which Ultima can be harder: a solo game.

[Ultima Shadow]

Omega IS harder than Ultima! :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2

Omega => Lv.5 Death => all characters died => needed a second try => victory
Ultima => one try => victory
==> Omega harder than Ultima

It's that simple!

ANY party with all three characters at 9999 HP + Defend command > Omega. :rolleyes2
MANY parties with all three characters at 9999 HP + Defend command < Ultima.

However... Ultima Weapon must be at level 100. If not knowing Omegas attack pattern, then he's harder. But for ANYONE who knows Omegas attack pattern good enough and just use a half-assed or average party, Ultima will be harder. Ultima also have the potentional to be the hardest when facing any party since he's completely random and much faster than Omega. As long as you don't use Lionheart and hero-items, I would say that Ultima is (atleast) slightly harder than Omega. When using Armagedon fist... they both goes down before you can say "icecream with strawberry sauce" and are therefore equall. If you're planning on cheating with The End, then Ultima is harder since 1) he's faster and 2) he may use Lightpillar at Selphie any moment. Everyone who even tries out Omega, Ultima and even Ultimecia these days, seems to use atleast Lionheart and either 10 Holy Wars and/or 100 Heros. That's just crazy. Is everyone overpowering themselves these days?
Oh, and not protecting yourself against level5 death the first time you try doesn't make Omega hard in any way.

As for the Ultima vs. Omega (which one is harder?) argument, I'd say it can be either one depending on the circumstances and the party.

I believe the majority of parties that encounter both will walk right over Ultima and, well, not, when they encounter Omega. But that's assuming that you have a full, three-character, properly-junctioned party.

An example of a cirumstance under which Ultima can be harder: a solo game.

True, true... except that this would mean that the majority of parties are using Lionheart and/or Hero/Holy War or/and that the player lacks knowledge about Omega. But yes, it depends on the party alot.
And yea... in a solo Ultima is atleast 10 times as hard as Omega.

Please, anyone who still belives that Omega is an overall harder boss... tell me EXACTLY why you think he's harder.

[Creeping Shadow]

when i beat omega weapon it was by luck and all i get is a crappy certificate!!!!!!!!

[Sepho]

True, true... except that this would mean that the majority of parties are using Lionheart and/or Hero/Holy War

The easiest way I can think of to sum up my counter is to say, "Yeah, and?"

You seem to be of the mentality that those who use Lionheart and Invincibility items are cheating. On the flip side, I believe the developers put them in the game for players to use them. Holy Wars aren't items commonly dropped by Geezards (and before you say how easily they can be obtained, don't. It's irrelevant; it doesn't change the core of my argument). And it's not as if the Lionheart is there from the start of the game, and even if/when you do get it, it's not likely to majorly turn the tide of battle when fighting Omega (Ultima, on the other hand, can be killed by one or two them). In addition, you can fight ten rounds against either opponent and never see Squall use the Lionheart. You can't consistently pick "Lionheart" on the command menu when you're in a position to use a limit break.

If you want to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage, that's fine. It's a good way to gain respect, too, I suppose. To be honest, knowing Omega's pattern, I think I could also beat him in nearly every manner that you have done so (besides the blindfold thing - that's just craaaazy), but I'd sooner play another game or something than spend time making the attempt. I've got respect for you for doing these challenges, but it's not my thing.

And yea... in a solo Ultima is atleast 10 times as hard as Omega.

"Nearly impossible" is a better description, assuming you're relying on skill. I'd imagine luck plays a far greater roll in whether you're successful against Ultima in a solo fight. If he uses Light Pillar, you're dead. If not, Ultima should fall in a few rounds.

[Ultima Shadow]

The easiest way I can think of to sum up my counter is to say, "Yeah, and?"

"And"... that's just crazy?

You seem to be of the mentality that those who use Lionheart and Invincibility items are cheating. On the flip side, I believe the developers put them in the game for players to use them. Holy Wars aren't items commonly dropped by Geezards (and before you say how easily they can be obtained, don't. It's irrelevant; it doesn't change the core of my argument). And it's not as if the Lionheart is there from the start of the game, and even if/when you do get it, it's not likely to majorly turn the tide of battle when fighting Omega (Ultima, on the other hand, can be killed by one or two them). In addition, you can fight ten rounds against either opponent and never see Squall use the Lionheart. You can't consistently pick "Lionheart" on the command menu when you're in a position to use a limit break.

Ofcourse I know that they aren't put into the game as "cheats". But in my eyes, anything that gives you such a crazy advantage is a bit... "cheap". Just like Zanmato in FFX. I know they're not really cheats but it really bugs me that they actually exists in the game. But that's just the way I (and a few others) look at those items and attacks. Using them isn't really cheating... it's just that I don't like that you can just use Hero and then Lionheart to beat ANYTHING in the game with ease. Lionheart isn't really cheap. I guess there's no way I can call it cheat or something like that. I just hate overpowered stuff. However... Hero and Holy Wars are nothing but cheap in my opinion. Ofcourse, that's just my opinion... and it doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to use them. It's just that I hate the very existence of those items. And therefore I "call" them cheap and cheat.

If you want to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage, that's fine. It's a good way to gain respect, too, I suppose. To be honest, knowing Omega's pattern, I think I could also beat him in nearly every manner that you have done so (besides the blindfold thing - that's just craaaazy), but I'd sooner play another game or something than spend time making the attempt. I've got respect for you for doing these challenges, but it's not my thing.

Well... the "command junctioning only, first weapon only, no cheap items (XD ), and no The End challange is... well... even whorse to say the least. The only way to be sure to survive Megido Flame is to block with GF, Omega is a little faster than your characters + you'll do crappy dammage with most attacks. The attack Ultima can wipe you out if not COMPLETELY healed and... yea... you get it. It took me 1hour and 25min when I actually defeated him this way. The blindfolded thing may have been a bit crazy... but that was INSANE. Oh... and when I battled Ultima the same way... well... he was just as bad as Omega... atleast. He was twice as fast as all the characters and Gravia + Quake= Game Over.

"Nearly impossible" is a better description, assuming you're relying on skill. I'd imagine luck plays a far greater roll in whether you're successful against Ultima in a solo fight. If he uses Light Pillar, you're dead. If not, Ultima should fall in a few rounds.

Well... in the solo it IS still possible to survive the Lightpillar attacks without Heros. By summoning a GF you'll prevent Lightpillar from killing you. However... since it random, it's impossible to know when he use Lightpillar. But he's more likely to NOT use it if he already just used it. Therefore... if you summon GF and kills it with Lightpillar the % of him doing it again the next turn is lower and therefore you can attack him your next turn and then start to summon again. That's the way I did it.

Man... I really can't make a short post in these treads.

[Sepho]

I'm content with concluding that we just have two different playstyles. I enjoy spending hours developing my party so I can take out anyone easily (granted, in FF8 it's not difficult to get a level 100 party and powerful magic with which to junction). I do like the occassional 10 or 15 minute-long boss fight, but on the other hand, I love to put on some music, get into a trance, and level up for hours (more in some games over others).

Well... in the solo it IS still possible to survive the Lightpillar attacks without Heros. By summoning a GF you'll prevent Lightpillar from killing you.

Ah, I hadn't even considered the GF thing. It's been so long since I summoned a GF, that I don't even have the GF command on my menu list.

[Ultima Shadow]

I'm content with concluding that we just have two different playstyles. I enjoy spending hours developing my party so I can take out anyone easily (granted, in FF8 it's not difficult to get a level 100 party and powerful magic with which to junction). I do like the occassional 10 or 15 minute-long boss fight, but on the other hand, I love to put on some music, get into a trance, and level up for hours (more in some games over others).

That's true. And what really matters is that everyone plays the game the way THEY prefere. And enjoy it.

Ah, I hadn't even considered the GF thing. It's been so long since I summoned a GF, that I don't even have the GF command on my menu list.

XD! Yea, the GFs gets pretty useless later in the game... except for blocking dammage.

Oh, and I still belive that Ultima is tougher than Omega... seriously... he IS harder than Omega!!!



However... I still think that they both should have been harder. Omega should've had random moves and Ultima should've had 17,000,000HP + more and better moves, including Bad Breath and Degenerator, Apocalypse instead of Quake and Megido Flame instead of Meteor + Shockwave Pulsar and Terra Break etc.

Edit: OMG! I actually DID a pretty short post!

[Del Murder]

I haven't even done it the cheap way. I need to put that on my list of things to do.

[seiyuimore]

Well the other problem is, my character has less than 200 for spr and vit

[Ultima Shadow]

Well the other problem is, my character has less than 200 for spr and vit

Then use Shell. Vit is only needed against his normal attacks... nothing all that important.

[seiyuimore]

Will Reflect magic has effect on Meteor or Medigo Flare?

[Ultima Shadow]

Will Reflect magic has effect on Meteor or Medigo Flare?

Nope it won't. The reflect spell is useless in this battle and you can't block the dammage from Megido Flame.
Make sure that you're completely healed after Meteor and don't forget to heal again at one of the times I pointed out. Cast tripple on your character as early in the battle as you can and use Shell on your party.

Also, what's your junctioning like?

[seiyuimore]

Well my first character has Recover then magic then item then spd 20%, auto shell, luck 50% with 9999 HP
my second character has Revive then magic then item then spd 40%, rare item, str 40% with 9999 HP
My Squall has 6600 HP with magic, GF cerberus, Auto Haste and Auto protect, str 60%, return damage

[rubah]

I'd take rare item off, if I were you.

I mean, do you really need it against omega? X.x;