Chernobyl

[boris no no]

thats just totally horse crap windmills dont produce much power and coal isnt supposed to be used nowadays without special licenes to get it out of Quarries and old mines. Coal is a fossil fuel but only becomes bad in high quantities of flame exposure

you cannot use coal in the cities of theUK but in the countryside we still have coal merchants.
coal is a fossil fuel, which emits levels of CO2, CO and some SOx. all are toxic and BAD.
we should stop worrying about nuclear power as it really isn't that bad. Fossil fuels release toxins in the air causing global warming.
this has been happeing since the 18th century and the start of the indusrial rev. whilst nuclear accidents are few and rare.
i'm not sticking up for it. but i think that we need to concentrate on a totally new energy sourse.
the germans use bio fuel which generate enough energy to keep small towns with power. plus windfarms are really good for areas such as scotland.
we should stop using fossil fuels before nuclear energy. it really is far better for the earth then fossil fuels.

[Shoden]

use the area itself for power like the north of england has lots of rain and wind try windfarms they look great on hills and they dont damage the environment, but Nucular stations use unstable isotopes such as Uranium and Plutonium which could decimate alot of the planet or release radioactive gasses into the air killin a hell of alot of people but fossil fuels need to be reduced such as petrol and diesel use differewnt energy sources or take the gasses out of the chemical so it doesnt emit much Carbon based toxins

[boris no no]

fossil fuels can have reduced emissions but still have them.
how many cares are there in the world?
bikllions. all releasing posins into the air.
there have been so few nuclear accidents. believe me, CO2 and CO have just as bad effect on the environment.
yes nuclear accidents are huge, and will decimate an area for hundreds of years.
but how many LARGE accident have there been?
chernobyl, three mile island, hirosima (sp) and a few others.

but Nucular stations use unstable isotopes such as Uranium and Plutonium which could decimate alot of the planet or release radioactive gasses into the air killin a hell of alot of people

there are so many safe guards against this.theres such a small chance of accident.
i do environmental science as a degree. we look at this all the time.
oils slicks cause so much damage of the seas ecosystems, raised CO2 levels can cause plant species to die, SOx can cause acid rain and eroded both man made and natural habitat.

theres so many different factors. basically the world cannopt cope without both nuclear and fossil fuels.
one thing is for certain, fossil fuels will run out far before nuclear power ever will.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

Just to throw a case into the works on this debate here.

What about France? There are over 50 reactors in France, and so far there have not been any disasters as far as I know. Over 80% of all of France's power comes from nuclear power and even the citizens of Paris are lobbying the government on getting their own nuclear power plant.

Any comments?

I am for nuclear power, as it is (for the most part) run well and with efficency. It does not contribute to global warming and, frankly, it's the best source of power that we've got for when fossil fuels run out.
Though there has to be a zero tolerance policy. Any accidents that releases a lot of radiation into the atmosphere must result with the power plant being checked thoroughly or even shut down.

PS: Boris, no, no, you can't call Hirosima or Nagasaki or Bikini Atoll an accident. Nuclear bombs were used there, designed to cause destruction.

[Shoden]

yeah but you have to look at risks and possibilities not what has happened or chances thats what i'm saying. Uranium and Plutonium are heavilly unstable one mistake with it could release radioactive gasses causing more than just acid rain and dead plants the world may survive but the amount of radiation absorbed could make the place dangerous to anything there radiation causes cancer and cancer kills you know i'm sorry for being such an arse but look at possibilities please i know fossil fuels are bad but they are alot more stable than isiotopes like Plutonium and Uranium science degree maybe, i repsect that and your oppinion i also see where your coming from but face the facts even if people told the government about it and what they want they wont bother they only want power and money

[boris no no]

PS: Boris, no, no, you can't call Hirosima or Nagasaki or Bikini Atoll an accident. Nuclear bombs were used there, designed to cause destruction.

i know. i just used that as an example of radiation. you're very right.

Shoden. the car is just burning fossil fuels. isn't that just as dangerous?
do you know about radon gases? they are naturally occuring radioactive gases. worst effected areas are the south west coasts of england. if the accumilate it can cause radiation poisening. we could think, oh no radiation!!! lets all go to the fall out sheds! but it's not that high a risk.
radiation is naturally occuring in most rocks. yes, unstable isotopes are bad but i still think that it's the cleanest energy we've got.
it would be nicer if we could use bio fuel or wind farms but we're just not there yet.
fossil fuels are whats killing the planet, not nuclear.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

I have to agree with both of you here. I agree with Boris No No where nuclear power will be the future. Fossil fuels might be more stable but they are also in a much shorter supply than uranium and plutonium. When they run out, what will governments turn to?

As you said yourself Shoden:
even if people told the government about it and what they want they wont bother they only want power and money

And there is the greatest problem. You remember when the Irish government took the British government to the EU Courts to have Sellafield shut down? Cancer kills - Dundalk has seen an increase of cancer cases because waste from Sellafield has been dumped into the Irish sea. There was also a huge worry that if there was a major disaster at Sellafield - especially in the wake of 9-11 - that Ireland would be badly polluted with the fallout radiation.

I still think that Sellafield should be shut down but on retrospect, it seems that the Irish government were trying to get one up on the British government, and vice versa. Pretty petty when you think about it.

[boris no no]

thats true. i guess that one reason why chernobyl exploded was that russia was trying to keeep up with the other "super" nations. they wern't ready for it.
without sounding harsh but, nowerdays everything causes cancer. theres that sudan I things going on right now. soon we won't be able to walk outside without being told we'll get cancer from it.

[Shoden]

its not only the fossil fuels you know its CFC gasses Radiation from other things together, Radioactive substances have the ability to release havy radiation into the atmosphere

i think that nowadays cancer is caused by all these new chemicals in food drinks and air and the past aswell coming back to haunt us. lets start having a nicer conversation about the Chernobyl incident im on a hyp listening to Aeris'stheme i dont wanna start crying

[boris no no]

its a sad thing about the stupidity of man.
we think that we can rule the earth but it isn't something to rule.
radiation is naturally occuring, as is fossil fuels. we choose to expoit them causing devistation.

its not only the fossil fuels you know its CFC gasses Radiation from other things together, Radioactive substances have the ability to release havy radiation into the atmosphere

we relese so much rubbish in the atmosphere. who knows what we've really done. is it reversable? can we save ourselves for the mistakes we make?
nuclear energy is still a clean and reliable energy source. but it is dangerous in the hands of those that do not acknowledge its destructive power.

sorry i've had a rant about this. energy sources is what i want to carry on (hopefully) and do my final year at uni about. it's so fasinating to hear all your opinions! energy is a fansinationg thing! i really want to learn more about it!

[Shoden]

well really my knowledge is little im just 15

Nucular energy is very dangerous and only clean if people know how to use it they should learn from Chernobyl's mistakes and try to create better and safer reactors

[DeBlayde]

Heard about Chernobyl? I remember seeing the News Report after it happened. My dad was freaking out because the Jet Stream currents recorded by the weather satelites passed over the Ukraine, over Siberia and then to here. We didn't get much fallout, but I remember Radio broadcasts for the nearest shelters, I remember Dad getting lots of fresh water in big jugs, and Mom calling God and everybody on the phone.

Edit: Trees grow back after you cut them down. Therefore, technically, wood fuel is a renewable resource.

[Shoden]

i wasnt even alive then i was born in 1989 3 years after it happened.
no trees take a long time to grow back how about i get the ents from LOTR to stalk you lol

[boris no no]

i was one...i think. it happened in 86 right?
maybe it explains a few things about me.....

[Shoden]

yeah it was 86 if i was born before then id be less schizo lol