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    Has anyone here seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Originally, there was only supposed to be one. She died and another arrived to take her place but she was revived and so the floodgates were broken. Suddenly, there was a whole world full of Slayer potentials.

    I realize Riku never died, but his heart HAD wavered between light and dark and my sig suggests. Because of this, the Keyblade chose Sora as its next wielder. By the end of CoM, Riku realizes he needn't worry about the darkness in his heart controlling him. Knowing that Light and Darkness are merely two pure sides to the same heart, he is able to reclaim his title has Keymaster.

    Sora and BK two sides of one heart? I don't know what to say.
    The dual-wielding is easy enough for me to theorize on. It's possible that Keymasters are naturally gifted with the Drive ability. Only Sora wasn't the original target of the Keyblade. Perhaps Riku could've done this on his own had he not let his darkness rule him. I think that the strenght of a Keymaster's heart allows him to dual-wield, which is why he merges his heart with the hearts of fellow warriors. As for BK, I don't know if he Drives or not . . . maybe his heart is stronger like Riku's.

    I wish I could see Deep Dive. Where can I see that?
    I've only seen Another Side . . . Another Story . . .
    I thought that Riku was the one fighting the Neoheartless. When I saw him in Nobody gear on the CoM commercial ad I was certain it must be him.
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X
    Has anyone here seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Originally, there was only supposed to be one. She died and another arrived to take her place but she was revived and so the floodgates were broken. Suddenly, there was a whole world full of Slayer potentials.

    I realize Riku never died, but his heart HAD wavered between light and dark and my sig suggests. Because of this, the Keyblade chose Sora as its next wielder. By the end of CoM, Riku realizes he needn't worry about the darkness in his heart controlling him. Knowing that Light and Darkness are merely two pure sides to the same heart, he is able to reclaim his title has Keymaster.
    (Actually, in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, there was always a full world of potentials. Only one at a time ever became the Slayer though. At least until the very end of the series...)

    Ok. Assuming that this works, how does that explain Mickey's keyblade? And what's more, when Leon and the others were referring to the Keyblade, they referred to it as just that: "the Keyblade". They said that the Keyblade chooses who wields it, but nothing they ever said gave any indication that there were more than one, or that the Keyblade master could wield two.

    Also, having just finished Reverse/Rebirth (booyaka!), I can state fairly confidently that Mickey and Riku are not members of the Organization. My reasoning? They just got through smacking around a castle full of those jerks, and yet as they leave to go down the road to dawn, they are both wearing Organization cloaks. The Organization had just lost Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene. The only member we know is still there is Axel (and his mental stability seems rather questionable, as do his motives), and possibly DiZ (though why he is allowed to be in the Organization without wearing a cloak, but Mickey, Riku, and Sora are automatically assumed to be in the Organization because they are wearing cloaks is beyond me). We know that there are at least twelve (probably 13 according to the current theory [the same number as the number of floors in Castle Oblivion, hmm...]), but even so, the Organization just lost nearly half of its members. Mickey and Riku had just fought two, and they knew that Sora was fighting others. I really don't think they'd go volunteer to sign up, especially since by the end it still doesn't seem that DiZ has explained how he knows the King yet.
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    Mickey . . . I don't know. He obviously can't be a Keymaster because in KH he was in SEARCH of THE Keymaster. Maybe the term Keymaster doesn't refer to wielding the Keyblade. Maybe it's something else. Mickey may've had the ability to seal doors but maybe Sora's got some other talent as a Keymaster.

    When Leon slashed with the Keyblade, it appeared in Sora's hands.
    Maybe that's only because his heart wasn't strong enough to wield it.
    Maybe any whose hearts are strong enough can wield a Keyblade without being a Keymaster.

    My question is why does every world in KH have a keychain that alters the Keyblade? HOW do they alter the Keyblade? What's special about them?
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    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Well, I have a theory on that, based off of the Oathkeeper. The keychain attached unlocks the power of the Keyblade by unlocking the power in the heart of the wielder. The Keyblade's form changes based on the heart of the Keyblade master. Each keychain symbolizes the troubles that he went through to get it. The Oathkeeper and Oblivion (the two that we see the BHK with) would be especially meaningful, because one is the good luck charm that Kairi gave Sora, while the Oblivion was obtained in Hollow Bastion, where Sora had his confrontation with Riku. The two keychains, which are among the two most powerful in the game, are thus related to the two friends that Sora holds most dear. The Ultima Weapon is a keychain created by all the Moogles in the synthesis shop, and they put so much into it that they can't make it again, which is why it is so powerful. The keychains mean something to the Keyblade master, and that meaning unleashes power in the Keyblade master's heart, and it is that power that changes the form of the Keyblade.

    This is just my personal theory. Feel free to disagree.
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    I agree with the suggestion know that Riku has learned to control his darkness and his light he may well reclaim his title as "a" not the keyblade master. I think its entirely possible that riku and mickey are genuine organization members. The ones in Castle Oblivion were all rogue agents and the main interest in the organization is to study the heart which works perfectly for Riku and mickey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destai
    I agree with the suggestion know that Riku has learned to control his darkness and his light he may well reclaim his title as "a" not the keyblade master. I think its entirely possible that riku and mickey are genuine organization members. The ones in Castle Oblivion were all rogue agents and the main interest in the organization is to study the heart which works perfectly for Riku and mickey.
    First off, if the ones in Castle Oblivion were all rogues, that means that 50% of the Organization are rogues. Also, Zexion and Lexaeus didn't seem to be rogues, they were just countering Marluxia's plan. Axel is definitely a rogue, but his objectives are still unknown. Only about half of the Organization members in the castle were part of the plan to overtake the Organization. Marluxia, Vexen, Larxene, and Axel (though he's not really a part of it). Also, what would be the point in taking over the Organization? If the Organization is about a dozen people who are trying to study the heart, why would they be squabbling amongst themselves as to who is in charge? It just doesn't make much sense to me...
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    By rogues, I think he meant that Marluxia wasn't really working for DiZ. He merely feigned loyalty. Near the end of the game, it sounds like he has his own agenda.

    At the beginning KH before you fight Darkside, the voice tells you that your shadow becomes greater the closer you get to the light.

    Maybe because (I believe) Sora's world is the shadow world and BHK's world is the world on the other side of the door to light (thus the world of light) then now because Sora is in that world, his darkness becomes more apparent (yet not more presiding) hence his black clothes.
    Last edited by Mercen-X; 04-30-2005 at 01:48 AM.
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Wait. According to the trivia thread, Sora's outfit was based off of Mickey's. So Sora is wearing black now because Mickey is wearing black! Ta da! Problem solved.
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    Mickey was originally intended to be the main character of the first KH. Just 'cause they made Sora similar to Mickey in the first doesn't mean that that's their intention for the rest of the series (assuming there'll be more than one sequel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyblade
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    I agree with the suggestion know that Riku has learned to control his darkness and his light he may well reclaim his title as "a" not the keyblade master. I think its entirely possible that riku and mickey are genuine organization members. The ones in Castle Oblivion were all rogue agents and the main interest in the organization is to study the heart which works perfectly for Riku and mickey.
    First off, if the ones in Castle Oblivion were all rogues, that means that 50% of the Organization are rogues. Also, Zexion and Lexaeus didn't seem to be rogues, they were just countering Marluxia's plan. Axel is definitely a rogue, but his objectives are still unknown. Only about half of the Organization members in the castle were part of the plan to overtake the Organization. Marluxia, Vexen, Larxene, and Axel (though he's not really a part of it). Also, what would be the point in taking over the Organization? If the Organization is about a dozen people who are trying to study the heart, why would they be squabbling amongst themselves as to who is in charge? It just doesn't make much sense to me...
    Yes Zexion and Lexaeus were counteracting Marluxias plan trying to control darkness as opposed to Light. Axel is not definitely a rogue. He could and couldnt be. CoM never made it clear why he killed Zexion and it could easily be because he saw Zexion controlling Riku the same as Marluxia controlling Sora. The game didnt make it clear and I dont think it was meant to be clear. Yes it probably doesnt make sense to you or anyone besides the people creating KH2 right now why anyone would want to overthrow the organization. Its pretty possible that by the end of the game Axel, Larxene, Vexen, Marluxia, Zexion and Laxeus were all rogues.

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    Well, now we need to specify what we mean by rogue.

    Axel killing Zexion because Zexion was manipulating Riku is kind of interesting. For one thing, Axel doesn't kill Zexion, the Riku replica does. Also, Zexion had just finished trying to eliminate Riku when Axel shows up and disposes of him. As Jiminy's journal says, most of the time Axel seems to be just messing around, but for all we know, he's done more thinking than everyone else put together. When Axel releases Namine and screws up Marluxia's plans, he says "all the actors are in place. Namine, Sora, Marluxia. Now, give me a show to remember" (or something like that), which seems to indicate that he is following his own agenda.

    Also, has anyone noticed that in CoM, we don't see DiZ with the other Organization members? In the KH2 previews, we do, but while the Organization members discuss things amongst each other (except Axel, who talks to himself half the time), DiZ never consults with the other Organization members. I'm not sure just how significant this is, but it is certainly worth noting.

    (SPOILER)"What are you making me choose now?"
    "Will you take the road to light? Or the road to darkness?"
    "Neither. I'm taking the middle road."
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    "No. The road to dawn."

    Damn good answer, Riku!
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    Axel killing Zexion because Zexion was manipulating Riku is kind of interesting. For one thing, Axel doesn't kill Zexion, the Riku replica does. Also, Zexion had just finished trying to eliminate Riku when Axel shows up and disposes of him. As Jiminy's journal says, most of the time Axel seems to be just messing around, but for all we know, he's done more thinking than everyone else put together. When Axel releases Namine and screws up Marluxia's plans, he says "all the actors are in place. Namine, Sora, Marluxia. Now, give me a show to remember" (or something like that), which seems to indicate that he is following his own agenda.
    Wether you say Axel kills Zexion or Riku rep kills Zexion. Personally I wouldnt say theres much of a difference. Axel told the Riku rep to kill Zexion and Axel was in control the whole time. Im sure what Jiminys journal said was clearly referring to Axel being a double agent. I dont think it refelects any role Axel will play in KH2 into account even if it can apply to whatever actions he takes in KH2. But what I dont understand is, Why would what he says when he releases Naminé mean he has his own agenda other than working as a double agent? I really cant see any evidence to support that. I think he just considers his role as a double agent a fun but serious game like the way he treats most things. I think that line was just reflecting his personality.

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    There is also another reason why the 13 in deep dive is an important number. There were 13 worlds in kingdom hearts. They were Destiny Islands, Traverse Town, Wonderland, Deep Jungle, Olympus Coliseum, Agrabah, Monstro, Atlantica, Halloween Town, Neverland, Hollow Bastion, End of the World, and even though it's not technicly not a world, The Hundred Acre Wood.

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    I've been reading through theories about the BHK and I was thinking, because he originates in Twilight Town, there is a possibility that the BHK is the other side of Sora's heart. If you remember, in Chain of Memories, when you had to fight Vexen for the last time. Before the battle, Sora said that he had never been here, but Vexen said he had, that the other side of his heart knew this town, but Sora didn't get it. What I'm trying to get at is, the BHK might have been made after Sora became a Heartless, the innocence trying to break free of the Darkness, and when it did, it never went back, and Sora's other side of his heart closed off, and that's why Twilight Town felt familiar.

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    To be quite honest, after seeing the newest trailer, I'm beginning to think that the BHK isn't entirely too familiar with himself. In the room with the other kids he was off in a corner staring down at his hands. That's usually a clichéd action for confusion or the "what have I done?" kind of thing someone might do after they kill someone. Seeing as this is Kingdom Hearts, an E rated game, I think the first is much more likely.

    I think it's quite possible that the BHK has only recently come into existance. The event when Sora was turned into a heartless seems as good a point as any to suggest when the BHK may have been created.

    It's stretching it quite a bit, but it could be possible. I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

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