cloudsquallandzidane so then would you be happy either yourself or one of your friends or family dragged of to egypt or quantanamo bay for 3 years without ever seeing a lawyer or talking to anyone you know, not knowing what you are to be charged with and then tortured into a confession, if they or you were suspected of being a terrorist? this isn't some made-up what-if scenario plenty of people have been released without charge from quantanmo bay after being held for 3 years and have suffered greatly as a concequence, mental and physical problems, loss of their jobs, income, suspected from anyone you live near of being a terrorist.

and i think to say torture of prisoners is okay as they are suspected terrorist is two faced to say the least. look at the first and second world wars, no matter how evil the nazis were they were good to pow's and we were good to them if they were taken prisoner. there was no torture, you were only allowed to ask a few questions of them, their name, rank and number. and we both stuck by that no matter if he knew were the german v2 and v1 bases where, no matter if he knew where hitler's bunkers where it was accepted that those were the rules of war.

we aren't fighting against some great demon evil as many people lead us to believe. we aren't fighting against men with absolutely no sense of humanity. these are men who are doing what our soldiers are also doing, fighting for what they believe in, they're not crazy or evil. noone blows themselves up or kills civillians if they aren't extremely sure it will help acheive their aims. 9-11 wasn't some great unprovoked attack. it was an attack with a purpose and for a reason. it may not be the most ethical or agreeable reason but they believed in it as the nazis believed that bombing london was the right way to win the war and we thought dresden and hiroshima were good ideas.

so what gives us the right to treat these people worse than animals and take their, ours and my basic human rights away?