Omfg!Originally Posted by Big D
Umm, I believe we did.
Omfg!
Umm, I believe we did.
Hey, I'm insulted. There's as much proof of that first landing as there is proof against it. Even if some serious idiots are on my side for this one. Seriously, I find myself hurt more by people trying to help than anything... but I won't name any names: you know who you are.
To go with a famous quote: "the simplest explanation is usually right". In this case, it's far simpler to believe they faked a landing. The alternative is to believe they got a ship that probably wouldn't have even been launched under different circumstances, landed it under conditions that were at best inhospitable, in an area that no one will ever see from the planet earth.
Yet, they communicated to the earth from that impossible-to-see position (you couldn't do that today). No line-of-sight means no radio communications. Even if the film itself was "real" even if the landing was "real"- there was no way for us to have done it live. Not without some magical radio waves that could travel through hundreds of miles of solid earth.
Yeah, you tell me how that is anything but insanely unlikely.
What makes you think that the Mare Tranquillitatis (the location of the first landing) was not in line-of-sight with Earth?
I would like to point out, to all parties involved, that threads like these aren't meant to make you look like genius debaters. If you want to debate, go right ahead, but insulting others as a result of that is silly and pompous.
I think we landed on the moon, because I really have no reason to believe otherwise.
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I think the idea that we, in fact, did not land on the moon, and that our supposedly oh-so-corrupt government planned a massive fake event that has remained solidly believable to this day, is pure, unadulterated conspiracy theorist crap.
As has been said (kind of), the Sea of Tranquility is on the side of the moon facing the Earth. Let me ty to find a map...
Here we go.
As Doomy pointed out, it was on the side facing us. There goes the bulk of your arguement down the tubes.Yet, they communicated to the earth from that impossible-to-see position (you couldn't do that today). No line-of-sight means no radio communications. Even if the film itself was "real" even if the landing was "real"- there was no way for us to have done it live. Not without some magical radio waves that could travel through hundreds of miles of solid earth.
Your other "evidence" is circumstantial...to put it lightly("completely bogus" to be blunt). To sum it up: "because we were desperate to get to the moon...we obviously faked it!"
Yes, we landed on the moon. There's absolutely no solid evidence to believe otherwise.
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As has been said before, it was the motion of planting the flag that caused the flag to wave. It stopped waving shortly thereafter. In pictures taken after it was planted, it isn't waving. The rod that was meant to hold the flag out straight from the pole wasn't fulling extended. The astronauts liked the effect, so they left it that way. In fact, if there had been enough wind for the flag to be waving, the dust would be blowing around as well. This didn't happen.
If you took a picture of the stars from Earth at the same exposure as they took the pictures on the moon, they wouldn't show up either. In fact, most television shows filming at night put the stars into the sky manually during editing, precisely because of this. The stars are very faint. It takes a much longer exposure to get them to show up. If they had taken that long of an exposure, everything else in the picture would look washed out.
"Dark side of the moon" is a misnomer. The moon rotates. Both sides get sunlight and darkness. If this were not true, we wouldn't have different phases of the moon. What you mean is the far side. And no, we didn't land there. It would have been much more difficult, and yes, radio contact would have been impossible. That's why we landed on the near side.
The shadows of the astronauts differ from the module because the ground is not level. Got that? The ground is not perfectly flat. I know this might surprise some of you inner-city youth-type people, but even here on Earth, there are places where the ground is not level, and paved over, and filled with strip-malls and parking lots.
But you know what? It would be nearly impossible to fake the moon landing. Not because of technology. Not because the government wouldn't do it. Because of the sheer number of people who would need to be in on it. We're talking thousands of government employees and civilian contractors. There were hundreds of astronomers, many of them not even United States citizens, involved in the moon landing. And they would all have to be in on the conspiracy for it to work.
Right. Anyone who seriously believes the moon landing was hoaxed has way too much time on their hands, and far too little critical thinking.
i think someone has been reading a little too much world news weekly.
yeah we landed on the moon. some of the rocks we have in custody can't possible have come from somewhere else. did we land on the moon.... that's one crack pot question if you ask me right there.
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Go to an observatory in August. You can see the American flag with a powerful enough telescope. Now cram it and make some more interesting threads.
Umm...I know it's not really my place to say so I'm sorry if I'm speaking out of place. I also know that fire of avalon has already stated this point but I think it needs to be said again.
To those concerned, there is no need to insult people in this discussion.
I don't think we have any telescopes with both a high enough resolution and a near enough focal distance to see the landing sites.
According to some astronomy texts, you can indeed see the landing sites. The landers' bases are clearly visible, even if other structures are too small to be seen.
You can see EVERY landing site, except the first one. It's supposedly concealed from view. Oh, and the "dark side" is refering to the parts of the moon we can't see from earth. Don't ask me why that's the terminology, I never asked. The moon rotates at the same rate it revolves, so we always see just one face of the moon. Not to mention the craters all over the place.
Actually, I should say that first is the only *manned* landing site you cannot see. There are a lot of probe launches. And I haven't really bothered researching those. I have no idea which of those are visible, and which are not. With satalites such as they are, we can communicate with the dark side now. But, seriously, if the first site was visible, don't you think they'd pick some of the more influential theorists, march them to a powerful observatory telescope, point it at the landing zone and show the world that first site? They don't, because they can't. Even the Hubble can't see the first landing.
But that first manned landing isn't visible from earth- I've checked. Supposedly hidden in the crater, not visible because the sun won't reach it, ever. Nor will our spectral scans. All the lunar modules have beacons on them, too... we can't hear the first's. Granted, it might just be busted. I did get to see a couple of others, though, but I couldn't tell you if there were really people on the vessels that landed- probably were, though.
And, really, how many people would *have* to know? You'd need 3 or 4 guys to be in on the planning level. Another three to make the movie (it's not a complex movie) a real lunar landing module (where could they get one of those?) and the crew of the vessel itself. Maybe a couple head guys from the control tower. Boiled down, you'd only need about 12 or so guys to do this. Maybe less if some of them did multiple roles.
Record the voices in later, using the crew itself. An utterly believable voice-over, after all... it's not the best recording, you don't need great acting ability, and your faces are conveniently hidden by a reflective (why reflective?) face mask. They were reading from a script even IF the landing was real. And either way, the surest means to trick observers would be to transmit the images from the ship itself. Quite frankly, knowing the situation and what that landing *meant*, if I was there, I'd help fake it, too. Then I'd keep my trap shut about it.
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